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[The_Wine_Merchant]

Good God people. You don't need to take a stand on whether we are going to mass claim. We aren't. You don't need to chime in on it. What we should talk about is what other roles out there might be worth claiming in isolation now or later and how we can best use them to our advantage. Or maybe we shouldn't talk about that. But we can at least talk about talking about it.

Seriously no one has ever suggested mass claiming (except PPS I guess off-offhandedly) so it shouldn't warrant dozens of posts about it and no one should be getting towncred for being against it.

These roles should claim immediately: investigation immune, JOAT, godfatherer, Ninja, convert SK to werewolf.

You are so, oh so, very helpful. If I were a vig. I would vig you.

In the words of O, this is at least anti-fun.

PPE 4

It was meant to be said in fun, at least the last part. Sorry if I offended.

[2.71828.....]

Post #304

oops disconnected and botched reply.

Reply: In my opinion, massclaim = bad. But the discussion might overall be protown independently, and is definitely not just RVS discussion which is inherently nice.

This O guy might not be town, but he probably is. But he is basically thinking all the things I am! So I like him!

Post #321

Good God people. You don't need to take a stand on whether we are going to mass claim. We aren't. You don't need to chime in on it. What we should talk about is what other roles out there might be worth claiming in isolation now or later and how we can best use them to our advantage. Or maybe we shouldn't talk about that. But we can at least talk about talking about it.

Seriously no one has ever suggested mass claiming (except PPS I guess off-offhandedly) so it shouldn't warrant dozens of posts about it and no one should be getting towncred for being against it.

Somewhere in the space of 17 posts TWM went from agreeing with and townreading someone based on their stand on a massclaim to denouncing the entire conversation.  That kind of flip seems too manufactured to be genuine from town.

These flips are exactly what I expect from town. Scum will be more interested in creating a consistent profile

[Eevee]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

[Cuzz]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

[2.71828.....]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Scummy ^^

[mcmcsalot]

This seems like scummy TWM, which means that he is town.  Just like look at his newbie game.  He has a CRAZY different tone when he is scum compared to town.

Everyone brings up newbie mafia twm what about the game me and him were mafia together. I think this looks a hell of a lot like scum twm.

[gkrieg13]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

How am I being helpful?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

[gkrieg13]

This seems like scummy TWM, which means that he is town.  Just like look at his newbie game.  He has a CRAZY different tone when he is scum compared to town.

Everyone brings up newbie mafia twm what about the game me and him were mafia together. I think this looks a hell of a lot like scum twm.

How does it look like scum TWM?

[mcmcsalot]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

I would be down for that, especially because it's not outright anti town like really early roadrunner, this is anti-town that looks towny which is my experience with scum roadrunner.

[gkrieg13]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

[Awaclus]

Vote: e

I'm not townreading, scumreading or nullreading RR but I like what he's doing.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

This seems like scummy TWM, which means that he is town.  Just like look at his newbie game.  He has a CRAZY different tone when he is scum compared to town.

Everyone brings up newbie mafia twm what about the game me and him were mafia together. I think this looks a hell of a lot like scum twm.

Both sides have zero rationale. I have played every game I have been in deliberately differently. This one is no different. I don't think my tone or posts have really reflected my towniness yet this game so I am a bit suspect of those thinking I am town at this point. But nor has my posts been scummy and nor has anyone shown why they think they are. You included.

[pingpongsam]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

How am I being helpful?

Don't worry, you aren't, at all.

[Cuzz]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

False.

[mcmcsalot]

This seems like scummy TWM, which means that he is town.  Just like look at his newbie game.  He has a CRAZY different tone when he is scum compared to town.

Everyone brings up newbie mafia twm what about the game me and him were mafia together. I think this looks a hell of a lot like scum twm.

How does it look like scum TWM?

I think scum twm tries to kick do some semi aggressive scumhunting which he appeared to try to do(can't grab quotes at work) and especially the post he made calling jreggie scummy for referring to his own vote as serious. It was taking a small thing and calling it "suspicious" which isn't outright calling him scummy so hopefully other townies flood behind twm and start voting jreggie.

[gkrieg13]

This seems like scummy TWM, which means that he is town.  Just like look at his newbie game.  He has a CRAZY different tone when he is scum compared to town.

Everyone brings up newbie mafia twm what about the game me and him were mafia together. I think this looks a hell of a lot like scum twm.

Both sides have zero rationale. I have played every game I have been in deliberately differently. This one is no different. I don't think my tone or posts have really reflected my towniness yet this game so I am a bit suspect of those thinking I am town at this point. But nor has my posts been scummy and nor has anyone shown why they think they are. You included.

Your tone IS different though.  I won't tell you how, because there isn't much point in that and I think it would be anti-town to do so, but you are much more in the forefront, instead of drifting in the background.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: e

I'm not townreading, scumreading or nullreading RR but I like what he's doing.

How can you like what he is doing?  He is essentially doing nothing!

[gkrieg13]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

False.

Well we definitely have a better chance of lynching scum if we try to lynch scum instead of trying not to...

[mcmcsalot]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

How am I being helpful?

Don't worry, you aren't, at all.

Yea I'm back on being cool with a gkrieg lynch.

I need to write down my thoughts townreads so I don't forget. I would actually suggest that to everyone. Later in this game it's going to be impossible to remember what happened early and scum can use that to trick people into lynch players they previously had strong town reads on, it happens even in small games.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

we have about at 23% chance of hitting scum today.

[pingpongsam]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

we have about at 23% chance of hitting scum today.

Uh, maybe if we just roll a die and then all agree to vote the roll. This is Mafia, though. The die is loaded.

[Cuzz]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

False.

Well we definitely have a better chance of lynching scum if we try to lynch scum instead of trying not to...

I'm really not sure that this is even true.

[gkrieg13]

Not reading a bunch of fluff might be anti fun, and it could even be anti town. My point is that posting a lot of stuff, regardless of what that stuff is, is scummy because gumming up the thread is an easy tactic to use here, and it's fairly effective.

This is so empirically anti-town I want us to lynch RR now.

You will hit an anti-town player, but I don't think you'll be hitting scum.

It's D1 and we're not likely going to lynch scum anyway. Lynching confirmed anti-town is worlds better than lynching a pro-town townie who just happened to get a wagon on them for nebulous "scumminess"

Towny^^

Why?  He is essentially saying we should lynch people who aren't helpful instead of lynching scum.  We still have a pretty good chance of hitting scum.  And either way, it at least makes people choose sides.  It isn't scummy or townie to try to lynch anti-town people.  It just is.  Which isn't helpful D1.

False.

Well we definitely have a better chance of lynching scum if we try to lynch scum instead of trying not to...

I'm really not sure that this is even true.

You are saying a random lynch is better than trying to lynch well?

[gkrieg13]

gkrieg is making sense, and being helpful.

I don't like lynching TWM.

How am I being helpful?

Don't worry, you aren't, at all.

Yea I'm back on being cool with a gkrieg lynch.

I need to write down my thoughts townreads so I don't forget. I would actually suggest that to everyone. Later in this game it's going to be impossible to remember what happened early and scum can use that to trick people into lynch players they previously had strong town reads on, it happens even in small games.

And why is that?