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[Eevee]

robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)

so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.


he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).


robz gets the schaddbrand TownClear^TM

robz is the kind of wifom. i would advice not trying against him, for real.

im serious, do not townread him for being too lurky (or vaguely scummy) to be scum "for a player of his caliber". he really has no shame with stuff like that. speaking from experience here. i think he would agree, i'm pretty sure mcmc would at least. he was there (oh the horror)

[schadd]

retroactively saying you read someone as 95% town already before after they've been semi-IC'd seems very scummy to me.

yeah, stop buddying me, it's shaking my unshakeable locktown obvtown conftown mod-confirmed neverlynch hard soul vca meta read on you

[Eevee]

stop trying trying to buddy me to make me not scumread you! or something.

i mean, isn't what i said anti-buddying, raising suspicion on you?

to clarify, still think you are a swell fellow, but i'm hearing beeps from my scumdar.

[Eevee]

oh totally misread that, my bad.

95% still seems excessive, point stands if a little less strong

[Eevee]

(clearly time i sleep though. puerto rican mojitos are good.)

[schadd]

i think i considered doing percentages yesterDay, or something like that, but i guess i don't see strong reason to believe that i thought that so strongly then (especially since my last townread list is now provably wrong, and i currently think twm is scum). and i didn't even intend that to cash in towncred, more to go through what's in my head and perhaps convince people is town (and uh i don't think trust me and doubt ww is an especially strong demographic but you know)

95% still seems excessive, point stands if a little less strong

not especially? eod2, 3 scum among 9 people, which means that each person has a 66% chance of being scum; i'm saying ww is about 1/7 as likely as the next guy to be scum. faust has to say:

That's the good thing about town reads; the chance tat they are correct are pretty high.

incidentally, i don't like that you're drunk but not sticking around or something

[schadd]

like, say some good drunk stuff

[Eevee]

couldn't resist! not really drunk though, just drinks with dinner. and couple before. and after.

i thought your point was precisely that you thought so strongly yesterday? but i confirmedly always hedge and doubt myself too much, so what do i know. maybe i'm just jelly because i can't deviate from base probabilities by more than 10% ever when reading freaking WW. i'm glad the claims cam out  the way they did.

[Eevee]

i'm still not close to 95% on anyone (but the claimants; think i'm 92% on ww now, 98% on idptg)

i think pps and whoever he is currently fighting with is likely to have scum between them, because pps has good reads but is concurrently always likely to be killed by scum for that very reason. so whenever he is suspecting someone late in the game there is a higher than average chance at least one is scum.

[schadd]

i thought your point was precisely that you thought so strongly yesterday?

it was, but my intention wasn't "look at me, i'm so great for having been right about ww"

[Eevee]

i thought your point was precisely that you thought so strongly yesterday?

it was, but my intention wasn't "look at me, i'm so great for having been right about ww"

things scum says!

or it's true. i need to sleep!

[Eevee]

vote: schadd though, got to go with my read.  i'll reread schadd tomorrow

[Witherweaver]

I'm not convinced Schadd is town, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today.

[pingpongsam]

I'm not convinced Schadd is town, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today.

I'm down to lynch any of schadd, Andrew, and Robz.

[pingpongsam]

I mean, if the claims couldn't be trusted I'd be way more suspicious of WW and very null on IDP. But giving those two passes it looks like a very clear scum team to me.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Going back and doing a reread. I am mostly looking at people who pushed to lynch off wagon Day2 just for the sake of lynching off wagon, as that has a high probability of being a scum tactic.

Obviously I have mentioned Andrew doing this. Reading through I am seeing that Robz was another. It was about the only thing he said during the first 6 RL days of Day2.

Eevee was voting for Dylan, but he wasn't using the off-wagon thing as a justification. He was actually voting for scummy reasons.

To be fair mcmc (as town obviously) was also approaching that mindset, but was also much more open minded about lynching people who were actually scummy.

Contrast that with PPS, post 675, who steers completely clear of this and even to an extent calls it out.

So, I am looking more at Robz along with Andrew now.

[Witherweaver]

To be fair, Andrew was an alternate lynch so would need to default to Dylan at the end.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

To be fair, Andrew was an alternate lynch so would need to default to Dylan at the end.

Oh, I am not very critical of that. I am more critical of what he did earlier in day2.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And I shouldn't even say critical. I could kind of see the logic that mcmc/andrew/robz were using. I should instead say that I found it suspicious the way they were using it, especially now that it is known that there wasn't scum in the off wagon group of three.

[Robz888]

robz i'm also going to say is just town, for reasons i said earlier, with more elaboration later (taking a test l0l)

so, like i said, robz is very reminiscent of the townie side of lurkers. additionally, i think that it's especially town given robz's context: he's had, like, really good results in the last bunch of games he's been scum (including one briefly concurrent with this game), and got lynched D2 in M94 where he was on the lurky side. additionally, if he decided to lurk to earn towncred given his scumplay, supposedly he's pulled that before, and he decided to do it again in a game with, uh, 6 other vets who have probably seen it back in the day (ww definitely has). that's a super risky and silly wifom play that just isn't the kind of thing that he does.


he's also just been doing his town stuff (actilurking when he's around, hedging, using impersonal reads for people. yes, you read that right).


robz gets the schaddbrand TownClear^TM

This is a very accurate reading.

[Robz888]

I think I'd rather resolve the PPS vs Andrew question later. I'm leaning toward voting for TWM or schadd.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Lot's of people saying they want to lynch me. But haven't seen any reasons why as of yet. I would appreciate more information at some point so I can know why, cause right now the only reason I seem to be aware of is the belief that a scum must have been off wagon Day1.

[schadd]

andrew & robz on a team means andrew said

Lynch away.

to undecided townies with robz off wagon (and not really around, even) which could have meant a D2 scum lynch with only 1 scum on wagon and 1-2 town PRs + UB/gov unaccounted for

[schadd]

i will go over each person individually tonight/over the weekend

[schadd]

1-2 town PRs

or, wait. up to 4 letters of town PR unaccounted for. scum knows it's one of TT, T, 0T