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Author Topic: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Game over! Scum won!)  (Read 108936 times)

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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #325 on: April 09, 2017, 04:21:45 am »

A more honest ash case would be LAL.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #326 on: April 09, 2017, 04:22:38 am »

I'm going to go through and reread how it formed to get a better idea of who might be scum on wagon, because there's probably at least one
Is this based on anything, or just a thing you heard people say?
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #327 on: April 09, 2017, 05:07:48 am »

vote: eevee for the lazy vote.  I'd vote this way no matter who gkrieg had cased.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #328 on: April 09, 2017, 05:13:11 am »

I'm agreeing with ash!! What is happening?

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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #329 on: April 09, 2017, 05:14:24 am »

Vote: ash
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #330 on: April 09, 2017, 05:17:50 am »

I'm agreeing with ash!! What is happening?
Why is this surprising?
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #331 on: April 09, 2017, 05:20:36 am »

Agree I've been lurking.  I was not "busy" IRL, was unfortunately indisposed, but would rather not discuss.  I am recovering.  Thanks in advance for any concern or well-wishes, so they aren't needed here.

On unsupported votes, they were my first posts of the game.  I basically always vote faust, voted silver as a response to the Faust vote.  The Dylan vote was clear from context.

As for goading the IC, I'm calling out an underactive IC for what it is.  LAL applies as a concept?  Then apply the same standards to everyone, even if we won't lynch an IC (obviously).  And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.  That the current IC couldn't help but omgus the goader makes his reads even more suspect, as I'm not convinced he can look clearly, as he must.

No, I'm not as active, and unfortunately won't be for most of D1.  That's no ones fault, and I'm at least posting daily, reading along, etc.

I haven't really developed strong reads, mostly just reacting to specific actions.  Eevee (and Jake) piggyback voting the IC is lazy and scummy (but at least par for Jake's course).  Dylan on RR's oddity is scummy.

J Reggie seems under active.  Faust is towny, he'll probably die N1 or N2 if he keeps it up.  Igu is good.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.

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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #332 on: April 09, 2017, 05:22:25 am »

I skipped the PPEs.

I think my expected reaction is "Faust vote means he's partners with eevee" right?
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #333 on: April 09, 2017, 06:49:43 am »

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???

I for one always objected to that logic.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.
No I've been taking a break.

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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #334 on: April 09, 2017, 07:00:03 am »

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I for one always objected to that logic.

But it's perfectly valid.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #335 on: April 09, 2017, 07:14:13 am »

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And it has been mathematically proven by you math people that ICs are disadvantaged with reads: non-IC town has more knowledge and therefore better odds of finding scum.
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I for one always objected to that logic.

SS, have we played in the same game recently?  I haven't been playing as much so I don't know.  You feel like your play style has changed.
No I've been taking a break.
I'm glad you decided to comment on the two least relevant things mentioned in ash's post.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #336 on: April 09, 2017, 08:17:54 am »

I believe in voting, it puts information out there in the game. Maybe I can vote in a way that clears me from being scum - at least I see no benefit to not voting, even when there is not a lot of information yet. Our IC made a case on ash, who hasn't seemed towny to me -> I voted. They can't all be the strongest vote ever, got to start somewhere.

I think it's an important distinction that the IC is at least more useful for us than all of the scum, not sure why ash is so eager to antagonize or lose him. It's not the cop or the doctor, but clearly a big positive for us. Especially in the hands of someone like gkrieg who has the ability to lead us. I would say that the IC gets stronger and stronger the further we go in the game. Imagine if we could guarantee an IC at 3 player lylo!

I think we could single out almost anyone for a lackluster performance so far (because it's so early), so it feels unfair to me to do it to only gkrieg. I don't really see a scum motivation, but still bothers me a little.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #337 on: April 09, 2017, 08:21:38 am »

Nolynching is definitely a bad idea right now. If it turns out to be good later, we can make the decision then. If we do it now, we can't unmake the decision later if it turns out to be bad.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #338 on: April 09, 2017, 08:24:12 am »

Guys,  Dylan is still scummy, stop getting distracted by the tomfoolery.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #339 on: April 09, 2017, 08:25:16 am »

I'm going to go read two Dylan games, town and scum, since I have never played with him I think. Recommendations?
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #340 on: April 09, 2017, 08:26:05 am »

He was just town in M96.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #341 on: April 09, 2017, 08:30:59 am »

Vote: Dylan

The "I didn't want to repeat my past bad performance and drive a mislynch" comment feels scummy to me.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #342 on: April 09, 2017, 08:36:55 am »

I'm going to go read two Dylan games, town and scum, since I have never played with him I think. Recommendations?
I was scum with him in uh a game; let me check.

Oh yeah, it was NM9. Fun times.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #343 on: April 09, 2017, 08:38:39 am »

Guys,  Dylan is still scummy, stop getting distracted by the tomfoolery.
No worries, I am perfectly able to find person A scummy while voting for person B.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #344 on: April 09, 2017, 08:39:47 am »

I don't like Eevee leaving the wagon; it was just starting to get fun and ash just started to act scummy.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #345 on: April 09, 2017, 08:49:44 am »

I don't like Eevee leaving the wagon; it was just starting to get fun and ash just started to act scummy.

Good to see the real Faust is back.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #346 on: April 09, 2017, 09:05:25 am »

Eevee's sheepy switching doesn't look great, looks worse if Dylan turns out to be town. Just something to note for later. His claim makes me want to give him a d1 pass.

I skimmed squid mafia so I have a little more idea what things Dylan can do to annoy people into lynching him.

My goal this game is to vote for people because of perceived scum motivations rather than their annoying habits that typically get them lynched.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #347 on: April 09, 2017, 12:50:58 pm »

Fwiw, I would still be interested if more people showed interest in ash as well.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #348 on: April 09, 2017, 12:57:55 pm »

Eevee's sheepy switching doesn't look great, looks worse if Dylan turns out to be town. Just something to note for later. His claim makes me want to give him a d1 pass.

I skimmed squid mafia so I have a little more idea what things Dylan can do to annoy people into lynching him.

My goal this game is to vote for people because of perceived scum motivations rather than their annoying habits that typically get them lynched.
I think his switch looks scummy but overall it doesn't affect my town read on Eevee because of his claim.
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Re: RMM41: Gravity Falls Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #349 on: April 09, 2017, 01:21:44 pm »

A more honest ash case would be LAL.
LAL?
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