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[Calamitas]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

[LaLight]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.

[Calamitas]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.

Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.

[Joseph2302]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.

Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.

It was a crap wagon. Jake behaved so scummily that it'd be easy for scum to vote for him and not look suspicious. scum knew he was town and knew he was talking nonsense and knew that he'd get lynched for it, so there's no reason not to just give the wagon a little extra impetus.

[Calamitas]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.

Not really. It is based on him considering off-wagoners towny.

It was a crap wagon. Jake behaved so scummily that it'd be easy for scum to vote for him and not look suspicious. scum knew he was town and knew he was talking nonsense and knew that he'd get lynched for it, so there's no reason not to just give the wagon a little extra impetus.

Town just saw someone scumslipping. There was no reason at all to not vote him without any extra info.

[Joseph2302]

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But in response to the above:

Scum also saw someone scumslipping, and so could see a great opportunity to vote for him. For scum, he was such an easy mislynch.

[Calamitas]

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But in response to the above:

Scum also saw someone scumslipping, and so could see a great opportunity to vote for him. For scum, he was such an easy mislynch.

Sure, but scum might have other motives (seem towny the day after). Town hasn't. They just saw someone scumslipping and their information isn't good enough to justify any other lynch.

[Dylan32]

You can only have 5 nested quotes in one message, so if you try to quote someone with 5 layers of quotes, your message would have 6, so it won't post.

[Dylan32]

Calamitas, I understand your point about scum being off wagon, but I just don't think newb!scum would be thinking that far in advance and would want to just vote for the scum slip.  I could see maybe more of a vet doing that, but for a newbie scum, I think their thinking would be more inline with Joseph's reasoning.

[Dylan32]

Although, having said that, I guess the two of the vets still alive weren't on the wagon, so Joseph and faust's just slid a little bit in my book.  Also, was anyone on the wagon besides Jake himself technically a newb?

LaLight, what about Joseph always looks scummy and what has he done to look towny to you?

unvote because I'm actually not sure if I'd rather lynch Joseph or Calamitas now.

[Calamitas]

Calamitas, I understand your point about scum being off wagon, but I just don't think newb!scum would be thinking that far in advance and would want to just vote for the scum slip.  I could see maybe more of a vet doing that, but for a newbie scum, I think their thinking would be more inline with Joseph's reasoning.

And why should newb!town stay off-wagon?

[Dylan32]

Well, the only two newbs that were off wagon were IDPTG and myself, and I already told you why I wasn't on it.  If I remember correctly IDPTG also logged in before the deadline and but after the hammer, so I assume their reasoning would be pretty much the same.  Of course I'm still not sure IDPTG is town, so it is technically possible for you to be right if IDPTG is actually scum.

[Roadrunner7671]

Rats, it's passed 3:12!

[Calamitas]

Rats, it's passed 3:12!

And now there is a viable alternative.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, I would have let you hammer if the case on Joseph hadn't become so interesting.  I think I would rather vote: Joseph than Calamitas for today.

[LaLight]

Vote Count.LL
Calamitas (2): LaLight, Joseph
Joseph (3): Calamitas, faust, Dylan

Not Voting (2): IDontPlayThisGame, Roadrunner

Damn, guys. Calamitas being scum always dodges L-1's in some way. I won't hammer Joseph, that is a mistake.

[Dylan32]

That's L-1 on Joseph! Forgot to check that. Thanks for the vote count LL

[Dylan32]

LL, why do you think that is a mistake? What about Joseph this game makes you think he is town?

[LaLight]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

[LaLight]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

What makes you think he is town and what do you think of my/faust's case on him?

Your case is based on verbality and this is the very thing that makes Joseph always scummy. This also applies to faust's case actually. Right, Joseph didn't make anything particularly strongly townie and his reads are slightly scummy but this scumminess is implied in Joseph's meta, he didn't do nothing more. Solid VT as for me.

[Dylan32]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

That doesn't tell me why you think he is towny.  It just says that you do find him towny.

[LaLight]

Joseph is always scummy, regardless of actual alignment, but now I feel him being townie surprisingly. Those strange games when RR and Joseph are townreads.

That doesn't tell me why you think he is towny.  It just says that you do find him towny.

Second one.

[Dylan32]

That still doesn't help. I'm asking for examples from the game of things Joseph has said or done that makes you town read him.

[Calamitas]

And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.

[LaLight]

And as I said, this case is not based on verbality. It is based on Joseph's attitude in regard to off-wagoners.

I think he may be wrong here, but still I see him sincerely assuming this possibility.