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[LaLight]

Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..

[Joseph2302]

What did he say that tipped rolecop? That was D1 so he couldn't have used his ability up to that point, so even if he was a rolecop, his claiming RR was the babysitter would have just been speculation.  Also, even if he was scum and knew there was a babysitter, wouldn't there be two different options for the scum PR? How do you know that rolecop is the scum PR? vote: LaLight

You should probably reread the end of D1. Jake made it sound like he knew there was a Rolecop in the setup.

Are there really setups where town gets flavor names and scum doesn't?

No. Which is why this argument is silly.

Ah I found it. Post #586. I have no idea how I forgot that message.  That was the post that actually had made me decide to vote for Jake. Oh boy, finals week does not make it easy to remember stuff outside of class material... Last exam is Wednesday, so after that my head should be more in the game.

unvote

But you didn't vote for Jake...

This is like the 3rd time I've said this, but I decided to vote for him when I read the message I referenced as I was catching up at the EoD, but then I kept reading and realized that the self-hammer had happened an hour before that.  I know there's no way I can really prove that was my intention since it was literally impossible for me to vote at that point, but if it had gone long enough and no one changed their vote and he hadn't self-hammered, I would have declared intent to hammer as soon as I was caught up and then I would have been here ready to do so before the deadline.

Same for me, I got a PPE of about 25, and by the time I'd caught up, he'd self-hammered

[Dylan32]

Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..

I don't know.  I guess it could be, but I have a hard time believing it is really this easy, although I guess gkrieg solved a 12 person game after N1 recently, so maybe we got it.  vote: Calamitas

I'm sure this is a product of an overworked brain thinking too much on too little sleep, but I want to share it anyway so I can remember to think about it later when I've slept. Consider this (admittedly slim) possibility:

LL is scum and is driving a Calamitas and IDPTG scum team.  One of the two is town, the other is LL's partner.  They push a lynch on the town person, thereby looking scummy.  If they turn around and get lynched, remaining town might view the other one as an IC, making it easier for that person to survive and win on their own.  Even if the scum partner is the one that is lynched, it would put the other person in a tough spot and make lynching them fairly probable I'd say.  Even with that result, LL will have town points for the one lynched scum, and then if there are no PR influences on the number of NKs, LL would have a 2v1 with town facing possible LYLO, again depending on PR presence.

I know the above scenario is probably way too convoluted to actually be true, but I wanted to share it as an example of what my brain can come up with in mafia after 2 a.m... Who knows. Maybe there is something to it. I'll read this after I've slept more than 4 hours in a night.

PPE 1: Oh that's what you meant by "edit conflicted" in your post where you explained why you were off, Joseph.  For some reason I didn't get what that phrase meant.

[Joseph2302]

Why do I have a strong feeling that the game is solved?..

I don't know.  I guess it could be, but I have a hard time believing it is really this easy, although I guess gkrieg solved a 12 person game after N1 recently, so maybe we got it.  vote: Calamitas

I'm sure this is a product of an overworked brain thinking too much on too little sleep, but I want to share it anyway so I can remember to think about it later when I've slept. Consider this (admittedly slim) possibility:

LL is scum and is driving a Calamitas and IDPTG scum team.  One of the two is town, the other is LL's partner.  They push a lynch on the town person, thereby looking scummy.  If they turn around and get lynched, remaining town might view the other one as an IC, making it easier for that person to survive and win on their own.  Even if the scum partner is the one that is lynched, it would put the other person in a tough spot and make lynching them fairly probable I'd say.  Even with that result, LL will have town points for the one lynched scum, and then if there are no PR influences on the number of NKs, LL would have a 2v1 with town facing possible LYLO, again depending on PR presence.

I know the above scenario is probably way too convoluted to actually be true, but I wanted to share it as an example of what my brain can come up with in mafia after 2 a.m... Who knows. Maybe there is something to it. I'll read this after I've slept more than 4 hours in a night.

PPE 1: Oh that's what you meant by "edit conflicted" in your post where you explained why you were off, Joseph.  For some reason I didn't get what that phrase meant.

This was kind of my thinking too.

Either:

(1). LL is scum, and he's bussing his partner (so Calamitas/IDPTG is the other scum)
(2). LL is town, and therefore Calamitas is probably scum, as LL's reads and logic about Calamitas makes a lot of sense if he's town. In this case, IDPTG may also be scum

[Joseph2302]

On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.

[LaLight]

On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.

What have he posted D1?

[Joseph2302]

On the other hand, I thought D1 that IDPTG was reasonably towny.
But have they even posted at all today? Not seen anything from them D2.

What have he posted D1?

IDontPlayThisGame: Completely new player getting into the hang of the game. He's trying to push game along by asking for contributions from inactive players, and some good posts made e.g. #200. This seems pro-town. D1 pass for him[/li][/list]

[Joseph2302]

Also another long post with decent thinking/content from them here:

[Joseph2302]

This is the thing I was trying to quote in the last post:

1. LaLight
Starts off the conversation by giving everyone a list of questions to answer. He wasn't opposed to the mass claim and said both sides had a point. I'm inclined to see those two as town-leaning, although the claim stance less so. He seems like helpful town LaLight from NM8 (assuming I'm remembering correctly). Going with town for now.

2. Calamitas
Mainly posting against the mass claim. As LaLight pointed out, both scenarios (claim vs no claim) help town, so I'm not convinced that this would indicate scum!Calamitas (is that the correct format?). Null read

3. JaketheBaseballGod22
Posted about Alec and created a defense against my accusation. As I said, his posts seem different from when I played with him as town, but that's mainly due to the grammar (which is a change I'm very happy to see). Still not convinced he's town, but I'm not totally sure that he's scum.
Unvote

4. NotTheRealAlec
Four posts. One votes Jake, one's a quote of the voting list, one says he'll be better about posting, and the last says he has no prior mafia experience. Nothing to read imo. Since it's his first game and people were kind enough to do this for me in mine, I'm not inclined to put him in today's lynch pool just because of lurking.

5. Joseph2302
Some RVS stuff and answering LaLight. Seemed to go VLA, so I don't think there's anything to read. I'm looking forward to his analysis.

6. Roadrunner7671
Talks about whether we're in RVS and takes a stance on claiming. He also confirms that Jake's account has not been compromised. Nothing to read yet.

8. faust
Tries to trick Alec into giving away his alignment. Personally, I support that move. Brings up, and subsequently defends, the mass claim. He also moves the game along by asking people (like yours truly) to stop saying we should move on and actually provide something to move on to. I don't know if that's a town or scum move; I'm inclined to think it's neither and it's for the sake of the game. [Oh, just a request. I'm fine with most nicknames, but I'd rather not get stuck with Idon] Overall, I'm leaning town vet trying to move the game along.

9. gkrieg13
Agrees with faust on claiming which is, as mentioned before, neutral. Supports lynching Jake, but I don't know if that means anything just now. I've got nothing.

So basically, we get to the end and all I have are town and null reads. It's possible that scum happen to be the people I'm not getting reads on, but I doubt that's the case given probability and the experienced people in this game. I need to learn how to read people because at this point I'm not doing much good for anyone.

PPE: 3

[Joseph2302]

I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon

[LaLight]

I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon

was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.

[faust]

I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon

was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.

This is not even a slip either way. Anyone would would have thought about it for a split second would have realized that there are 2 scum. So Joseph posted without thinking, and then he would also not have thought about having 1 partner. Either that, or it's a fabrication.

[Joseph2302]

I think there may have been 3 scum on the Jake wagon

was it a (fake) townslip? There's 2 scum overall.

This is not even a slip either way. Anyone would would have thought about it for a split second would have realized that there are 2 scum. So Joseph posted without thinking, and then he would also not have thought about having 1 partner. Either that, or it's a fabrication.

There's only 2 scum in 9 player game?

[Joseph2302]

Clearly I haven't read the setup.

Got it confused with Resistance: Avalon which has 3 scum in 9 player

[Joseph2302]

So, if LL is town, then probably Calamitas is scum, and maybe IDPTG as well.

But if LL is scum, then who is LL's partner?

[faust]

Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.

[Joseph2302]

Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.

Joseph hasn't played mafia for at least 3 months.
Probably should have read the setup just to be safe.

[LaLight]

Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.

I believe Joseph here.

[Joseph2302]

Now it starts feeling like a fake townslip. Clearly Joseph has played enough mafia games to know how many scum there are in a 9 player setup.

I believe Joseph here.

Interesting.
I think LL is town now.
If LL were scum, I reckon they'd try and start a mislynch wagon on me.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.

[Joseph2302]

And if LL is town, then by the logic previously from LL, it seems the most likely scum is Calamitas.
Vote: Calamitas

PPE: 1

[Calamitas]

I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.

Why?

[Joseph2302]

Request: Vote Count

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.

Why?

Good question. I forgot that your approach to the Jake wagon was pretty towny.

[LaLight]

I'm not sure I believe Joseph, but I think I'd rather just lynch Calamitas today.

Why?

Good question. I forgot that your approach to the Jake wagon was pretty towny.

Why was it? I'm on phone now, and can't find it, but Calamitas looked scummy in all D1 end thing