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[LastFootnote]

Sorry, I mean: take a, stick it on a flat table. Either the middle of the card will stand pround of the table with the ends in contact, or the ends will stand proud with the middle in contact. Depending on which way up you lay the card.

I forget offhand which is which, but most Dominion cards curl one way, but the Prince promo and Adventures curl the other. So, having shuffled, you can choose whether to topdeck an Adventures card or not by cutting either from the ends or from the edges. This is worse when playing with just Prince and earlier sets, of course - who wouldn't want to topdeck their Prince?

For someone who's dabbled a little in magic tricks as a kid, this kind of card control technique is second nature, which makes it really hard to play fair. /-8

As it turns out, (the first run of) Prince was printed in Germany. So, is there a chance this is in your mind? Or that you bent the cards that way?

[mith]

I don't sleeve my cards, and I could notice a slight difference in the feel playing last night, particularly when my deck was about half starting cards and half Empires. I didn't notice a difference in look, just how they felt in my hands and how they shuffled.

I've never really noticed the pre-Adventures cards bend much either way (other than from being shuffled), and I didn't notice that with Empires either. My Adventures cards all have a noticeable bend, though.

[crj]

As it turns out, (the first run of) Prince was printed in Germany. So, is there a chance this is in your mind? Or that you bent the cards that way?

First time I mentioned this, Donald X. said that and it came as a surprise to me, but the effect's definitely there. I'll try to remember to take some photos.

One possible cause is the different packaging of promo cards (though Stash doesn't have the problem). Another is handling of the promo by the BGG store. But I have a strong suspicion the cause is that Prince was printed the other way up to other Dominion cards. (Which is a different issue from printing at right angles.)

[Beyond Awesome]

Maybe you have a second printing of Prince.

Anyway, as has been mentioned, Empires has fixed the bendiness and also the card backs, it's just the card stock is slightly different in texture from pre-Adventures. Adventures and Empires have different card stock it seems, but this really only makes a difference for Empires if you don't sleeve.

[crj]

I don't sleeve.

I can't. Being late to Dominion, the expansions I own get played with base cards and earlier sets owned by friends who don't sleeve. To start sleeving, I'd either have to persuade all of them to sleeve (and to agree on which sleeves to use!), or invest hundreds of pounds/dollars/whatever in buying the earlier sets myself.

Which reminds me: do sleeved cards fit in the Empires organiser?

[werothegreat]

I said this in the streaming subforum, but I'll be doing an unboxing stream later today if my copy comes in by the time I get off of work.

[Chris is me]

I don't sleeve.

I can't. Being late to Dominion, the expansions I own get played with base cards and earlier sets owned by friends who don't sleeve. To start sleeving, I'd either have to persuade all of them to sleeve (and to agree on which sleeves to use!), or invest hundreds of pounds/dollars/whatever in buying the earlier sets myself.

Which reminds me: do sleeved cards fit in the Empires organiser?

Sleeved cards do not fit in the organizer, nope.

I really don't think the Empires cards are different enough to warrant sleeving if you don't already (I do). They're fine. They don't feel thinner or anything like the Adventures cards do.

[crj]

Sleeved cards do not fit in the organizer, nope.

Hmm. I'll just bet that means they've not solved the problem of the inlay rubbing against cards, either? /-8

[werothegreat]

Change of plans - streaming in 15-20 minutes!

[werothegreat]

Starting now.  https://www.twitch.tv/werothegreat

[werothegreat]

Pictures:

[Chris is me]

Sleeved cards do not fit in the organizer, nope.

Hmm. I'll just bet that means they've not solved the problem of the inlay rubbing against cards, either? /-8

No, just that my sleeves are too much longer than the cards to fit in. The inlay isn't really the constraint.

[werothegreat]

And video:

[buckyball]

Miniature Market: Our copies will be arriving early this coming week.

[Deadlock39]

Every game store in my area is either getting it next week, has no idea when, or didn't even know Dominion was out of retirement ("didn't that game end 3 years ago?").

My Amazon order is definitely not showing up until Monday. This is most frustrating because almost all my Prime orders come USPS, and they deliver them on Saturday, but this one is coming UPS, and they don't (unless you paid for Saturday delivery, which Prime does not include).

Oh well...

[flaquito]

Mine also shipped from CSI yesterday, with a FedEx delivery estimate of Tuesday.

Edit: Just noticed that it's Smartpost, so who knows when it will actually arrive.

[Seprix]

Miniature Market: Our copies will be arriving early this coming week.

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[Voltaire]

My FLGS (and former employer!) got Empires in today (Chicago). Impromptu date night game night tonight, it seems.

[jamfamsam]

Just got a call from my local game store. My copy is in!!!! Uncle's Games in the Pacific Northwest.

[Donald X.]

Maybe you have a second printing of Prince.

Anyway, as has been mentioned, Empires has fixed the bendiness and also the card backs, it's just the card stock is slightly different in texture from pre-Adventures. Adventures and Empires have different card stock it seems, but this really only makes a difference for Empires if you don't sleeve.

I believe all copies of Prince were printed at Altenburger (though someday that won't be true).

The card stock should be identical between Empires and Altenburger-printed sets. The reason is, Cartamundi bought ELM, and we said, we want the identical card stock, surely that's possible at this point, and they said, yes it is and okay. So, it would be a big surprise if it wasn't identical.

I remember when that guy said his Intrigue cards were thinner, and we measured thickness and they were not, but did not realize he was reporting a symptom not the disease, that they were not thinner but were different (in particular bendier). So maybe "these cards are a different card stock" is a symptom of something else, some actual difference, dunno. It's not a symptom of them being a different card stock though.

[Voltaire]

There's also a chance that they feel different because they are brand-new. Obviously the cards will stand out because they are fresh. I'll find out tonight myself.

[werothegreat]

There's also a chance that they feel different because they are brand-new. Obviously the cards will stand out because they are fresh. I'll find out tonight myself.

My Empires cards definitely feel thicker and less bendy than my Adventures cards did when I first opened them, and still do.

[jsh357]

No empires near me yet. My store didn't even know about it.

[werothegreat]

No empires near me yet. My store didn't even know about it.

One store knew about it, but the shipment was delayed until next week.  The rest didn't know about the expansion.  One hadn't even heard of Dominion!

[Beyond Awesome]

Maybe you have a second printing of Prince.

Anyway, as has been mentioned, Empires has fixed the bendiness and also the card backs, it's just the card stock is slightly different in texture from pre-Adventures. Adventures and Empires have different card stock it seems, but this really only makes a difference for Empires if you don't sleeve.

I believe all copies of Prince were printed at Altenburger (though someday that won't be true).

The card stock should be identical between Empires and Altenburger-printed sets. The reason is, Cartamundi bought ELM, and we said, we want the identical card stock, surely that's possible at this point, and they said, yes it is and okay. So, it would be a big surprise if it wasn't identical.

I remember when that guy said his Intrigue cards were thinner, and we measured thickness and they were not, but did not realize he was reporting a symptom not the disease, that they were not thinner but were different (in particular bendier). So maybe "these cards are a different card stock" is a symptom of something else, some actual difference, dunno. It's not a symptom of them being a different card stock though.

Comparing my cards to Scout which I've never used IRL, Empires cards do feel different. Not bendier. Just different.