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[2.71828.....]

Also jimmmmmm? Egork? Hello?

[Haddock]

So Haddock, what do you make of seprix's case?

It's weaker than the one I was putting together in my head.  At least I think it is. 
I was hoping Seprix would make the same points that I was considering as I reread everything.

Can everyone else have a read through Joseph keeping in mind the daychat and see if you get the same sense I did that the things Joseph was doing/saying made a lot of sense as a player coached by some strong scumbuddies (not that Joseph wouldn't be fine on his own, but faust is faust), via the daychat?
That's exactly the sense I got.

[Joseph2302]

Also jimmmmmm? Egork? Hello?

Request: Prods on Jimmmmm and EgorK

[Joseph2302]

Interesting thought I just had.

Let's give Seprix and Joseph 2 days to put together cases on each other. Like their best cases and then we discuss them.

This will be a tomorrow job for me.

[Joseph2302]

Okay, so I've said I'm going to write the case on Joseph, but I'm scum, so it'll all be nonsense.

FTFY

[Seprix]

So Haddock, what do you make of seprix's case?

It's weaker than the one I was putting together in my head.  At least I think it is. 
I was hoping Seprix would make the same points that I was considering as I reread everything.

Can everyone else have a read through Joseph keeping in mind the daychat and see if you get the same sense I did that the things Joseph was doing/saying made a lot of sense as a player coached by some strong scumbuddies (not that Joseph wouldn't be fine on his own, but faust is faust), via the daychat?
That's exactly the sense I got.

I don't have a lot of experience with scum play, so if that was there, I wouldn't have spotted it.

[Jimmmmm]

Hello. I'll have some re-reads and a vote before deadline.

[Haddock]

Hello. I'll have some re-reads and a vote before deadline.

which is when, btw?

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 4.0

Joseph2302 (0):
Seprix (0):

Not Voting (7): e, Jimmmmm, Haddock, Egork, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, Seprix, Joseph2302

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at see next Vote Count.

Can we get another one of these?

[gkrieg13]

Oh just realized that was haddocks question. Sorry about that

[silverspawn]

- Doing Vote Counts per hand is hard ... :( -

Vote Count 4.1

Joseph2302 (1): Seprix
Seprix (3): gkrieg13, e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (3): Jimmmmm, Haddock, Egork

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends at August 14, 12:00 Forum Time.

Prod sent on Egork.

[Haddock]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

[Joseph2302]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

I'm happy to Unvote for now, to allow for more discussion.

[Haddock]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

I'm happy to Unvote for now, to allow for more discussion.

Nyeh.  Obviously you and Seprix are gonna vote for each other.  I was just a bit surprised to see Seprix at L-1, is all.  Someone probably announced it, but still.

[Seprix]

I'm already at L-1? Oh... Well, I was expecting this. I can't really give any useful information about the future, since Joseph is going to die afterwards, and then you'll have to figure out who the scum is.

[Seprix]

Not really sure what I can do at this point. I didn't play a fantastic game, and my reads were bug ugly and lucky. Joseph has played a nearly perfect game, and just about the only defense I can give which I gave before is that Joseph doesn't play that well on average.

[gkrieg13]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging 

[Haddock]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging 

And thus I prove once and for all that town!me hedges like a .... thing... that hedges a lot.

[gkrieg13]

Well if we're voting already I'm gonna
vote: Joseph.
This is by no means a final decision.

Typical scum hedging 

And thus I prove once and for all that town!me hedges like a .... thing... that hedges a lot.

like a .. scum?

[2.71828.....]

Ok fine, I will go through and do my D2 read of seprix. And D3 now that it is done. And provide a link back to my case based on his D1.

And do that reread of Joseph like was talked about.

But might not happen until, say, tomorrow night?

[Joseph2302]

So, Seprix D1:

Let me lay out out for you, though.

NO ONE GIVE READS LISTS.

Ghoul is our strongest tool, guys.  Like, scum should be super scared to kill anyone due to the redirection of the kill thing.  We need to lynch three scum or Ghoul three scum or some mix of those two.  NKs are our friends if the towniest players do a good jobo f redirectioning hte kills. 

If schum knows who we think ar scum, that's a bad thing.  So no reads lists in day 1.  Capisce?

This makes no sense. It's not read lists that indicate who we'll likely Ghoul, it's our top 1-2 scum reads. So to follow your plan of not letting scum know who we're likely to Ghoul, we need to not give our top scum reads. Which means no reads, no cases, no votes for anyone apart from whoever ends up being lynched. So you're basically suggesting the Town give up our strongest weapons against scum for what is pretty much a crapshoot.

Yes.

That's idiotic. Good luck playing Russian roulette.

Seprix wanting to give scum information, by getting reads lists off people.

What if scum decides not to kill anybody? What if there are two scum in a row on the list, conveniently or by accident? I don't like this plan, it feels like a trap. I think we should wait to do this until we're certain we are in a losing position and want a free kill.

Not read the setup properly, but that's not a scum or town tell.
Although the plan was good, it was just poorly executed.

I think it will be pretty easy for scum to know who to challenge anyway

thats not an ambiguously confident statement at all

I don't think we should be talking about this at all. I already have a game plan that will be unveiled after tonight. No more talking about this, please. The less information, the better.

I say lynch someone and move on. Anyone, really. It doesn't matter too much, since there are no reads. Those will be formed after tonight.

Keen for the mislynch.
Also, he has a plan? Doesn't seem like it from the rest of the game.

Then hammered, albeit after teamlyle claimed scum.

All in all, he helped push a mislynch, and argued against a plan which was basically a solid scumkill if executed correctly.

[Joseph2302]

Seprix D2:

Okay, who screwed up!?

Obvious who screwed up, as they were dead.
But it means they targeted someone near chairs in the list i.e. must have been ii or chairs targetted.

vote: Ashersky

Getting straight on the town player

If ash is town, then Faust would be conf!scum to him, and the best thing you can do is vote for conf!scum.

When he said that, that basically sealed my vote. It's pretty obvious Ashersky blew it at this point.

Have you such a low opinion of me as a player?  I have the equivalent of decades of experience on you as a Mafia player.

I don't care. All that matters is here and now.

Reaffirming the vote on the town player

Vote: Faust

Time to make the hard choice

I'm still inclined to vote Ash.

We get it. You want to kill the town player

There is that whole metagame where Faust is towny versus Ash can be seen as an easy scum matchup. Hmmm... I'm going to take a big risk here, and question my gut read.

vote: Faust

Wow, nice switch in an attempt to look towny.

So, Seprix spent the whole of D2 asserting that ash is scum, and then mysteriously out of nowhere hammers faust? Seems like someone was encouraged to do that in their daychat.

[Seprix]

So, Seprix spent the whole of D2 asserting that ash is scum, and then mysteriously out of nowhere hammers faust? Seems like someone was encouraged to do that in their daychat.

You have this game on a golden platter, but at least you'll die with me, SCUM.

[Joseph2302]

Seprix D3:

Yeah, Ashersky was just such an easy target, and there was nothing inherently wrong with Faust that I could see. I got over my initial revulsion and gave it a second look. It made total sense to pit town!Ash against towny Faust.

Really? Or maybe you scum bussed?
Which was picked up by gkrieg, and Seprix gave no reasonable argument against the argument.

e did not even vote. Come on, that's incredibly scummy! He doesn't want to stand out, and he didn't want to bus his partner.

Maybe he's have had a chance if you hadn't bussed so quickly?

vote: J Reggie out of self-preservation.

Or bussing again?

Vote Count 3.7

e (2): iguanaiguana, J Reggie
J Reggie (5): gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, e, Joseph2302, Seprix

Not Voting (2): Egork, Haddock

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Another hammer?
faust & JReggie must have been coaching you really well to get you to hammer both of them.

[Joseph2302]

So in summary, Seprix has hammered 2 scum, but faust was such an unbelievably obvious bus that would have been encouraged on the daychat.
And JReggie was just to self-preserve.

And nothing else has been remotely townie.
If it's been up to you, we'd have had no plan this game and scum would've had better read information.