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[ced]

Deadline in 8.5 hours by my count. Would really like to hear from Awaclus, since he's still the lynch right now with two unplaced votes.

I guess this is true.  Except that if we no lynch, we at least will have different partners.  Lynch rules won't be all that much different, but we would probably want to no lynch again to be at LYLO instead of MYLO.  So I guess that just forces scum to kill two people instead of letting us decide who we want to lynch.  So actually now I'm not sure if my lynch actually is better than a no lynch.

After this post I'm not sure why anyone would want to lynch anyone other than gkrieg.

The way you're pushing me is pretty scummy. You keep just posting things that I've written and saying that people should lynch me based off of it but then not explaining why. Man if you have a case, explain it. What you are doing now makes it impossible for me to defend myself.

Why don't you want to lynch Awaclus?

No-lynching is clearly not the play here. Right now we are two mislynches away from losing. If we no-lynch today, we're down to one. You were proposing we forgo our mislynch safety net and give the scum an extra NK. "Forces scum to kill two people", woe to them indeed.

I read a few days of that Awaclus scum game. Nothing really jumped out as compellingly similar between here and there, anything that was is stuff he'd also done in day one anyway. Really though, you and Silver being on his wagon is the big thing.

[gkrieg13]

Deadline in 8.5 hours by my count. Would really like to hear from Awaclus, since he's still the lynch right now with two unplaced votes.

I guess this is true.  Except that if we no lynch, we at least will have different partners.  Lynch rules won't be all that much different, but we would probably want to no lynch again to be at LYLO instead of MYLO.  So I guess that just forces scum to kill two people instead of letting us decide who we want to lynch.  So actually now I'm not sure if my lynch actually is better than a no lynch.

After this post I'm not sure why anyone would want to lynch anyone other than gkrieg.

The way you're pushing me is pretty scummy. You keep just posting things that I've written and saying that people should lynch me based off of it but then not explaining why. Man if you have a case, explain it. What you are doing now makes it impossible for me to defend myself.

Why don't you want to lynch Awaclus?

No-lynching is clearly not the play here. Right now we are two mislynches away from losing. If we no-lynch today, we're down to one. You were proposing we forgo our mislynch safety net and give the scum an extra NK. "Forces scum to kill two people", woe to them indeed.

I read a few days of that Awaclus scum game. Nothing really jumped out as compellingly similar between here and there, anything that was is stuff he'd also done in day one anyway. Really though, you and Silver being on his wagon is the big thing.

You honestly think that the scum team is me and silver? 

And from my perspective even a no lynch is better than lynching me. We give up our mislynch either way and it would force scum to kill two town that aren't me which will make it easier at LYLO. I mean as either alignment I would rather no lynch than have me get lynched so why are you attaching a scum narrative to it?

[ced]

You honestly think that the scum team is me and silver? 

And from my perspective even a no lynch is better than lynching me. We give up our mislynch either way and it would force scum to kill two town that aren't me which will make it easier at LYLO. I mean as either alignment I would rather no lynch than have me get lynched so why are you attaching a scum narrative to it?

I think we're talking mafia theory now, so:
This is a team game. If you're town, and we double no-lynch instead of lynching you, we go into day five at LyLo and probably end up lynching you anyway. Not good. If no-lynching is the only other option, you might as well get mislynched so other townies actually know your alignment instead of it continuing to be a question mark.
If you're scum it goes without saying you'd prefer no-lynch to your lynch.
No-lynching is very narrow. It's only worth doing if remaining night actions are so powerful they are stronger than a lynch.
In any case, you'd obviously prefer an Awaclus lynch regardless of alignment (unless he's your buddy which I doubt) - and he is still the default lynch.

[Joseph2302]

Vote Count 3.3

Awaclus (2): gkrieg, silverspawn
gkrieg (1): ced, iguana
silverspawn(0): Joseph

Not voting (2): Awaclus, Roadrunner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to majority lynch
Day ends Friday, July 1st at 5 p.m.

I think the gkrieg lynch is good enough.
Vote: Gkrieg- Gkrieg now has 3 votes!
Not around for deadline- soz
Been super-stressful few days.

[silverspawn]

I fail to see how Awaclus is the default lynch, really.

[ced]

I fail to see how Awaclus is the default lynch, really.

Before Joseph's vote, he [Awaclus] would have been the lynch at the deadline.

[gkrieg13]

You honestly think that the scum team is me and silver? 

And from my perspective even a no lynch is better than lynching me. We give up our mislynch either way and it would force scum to kill two town that aren't me which will make it easier at LYLO. I mean as either alignment I would rather no lynch than have me get lynched so why are you attaching a scum narrative to it?

I think we're talking mafia theory now, so:
This is a team game. If you're town, and we double no-lynch instead of lynching you, we go into day five at LyLo and probably end up lynching you anyway. Not good. If no-lynching is the only other option, you might as well get mislynched so other townies actually know your alignment instead of it continuing to be a question mark.
If you're scum it goes without saying you'd prefer no-lynch to your lynch.
No-lynching is very narrow. It's only worth doing if remaining night actions are so powerful they are stronger than a lynch.
In any case, you'd obviously prefer an Awaclus lynch regardless of alignment (unless he's your buddy which I doubt) - and he is still the default lynch.

I guess I was convinced that I would be able to convince town that I was town as well.

But your theory talk is correct.  I just hate that I'm going to be mislynched on a case that isn't even that good that people are sheeping for no reason. 

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 3.3

Awaclus (2): gkrieg, silverspawn
gkrieg (1): ced, iguana
silverspawn(0): Joseph

Not voting (2): Awaclus, Roadrunner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to majority lynch
Day ends Friday, July 1st at 5 p.m.

I think the gkrieg lynch is good enough.
Vote: Gkrieg- Gkrieg now has 3 votes!
Not around for deadline- soz
Been super-stressful few days.

Why am I a better lynch than Awaclus?

And why is a gkrieg lynch good enough?  We have one mislynch left, and my lynch is just good enough?

[gkrieg13]

I fail to see how Awaclus is the default lynch, really.

What is this supposed to mean?

[silverspawn]

I fail to see how Awaclus is the default lynch, really.

What is this supposed to mean?

Someone was arguing that Awaclus feels like the "default lynch" and is therefore bad.

[gkrieg13]

I fail to see how Awaclus is the default lynch, really.

What is this supposed to mean?

Someone was arguing that Awaclus feels like the "default lynch" and is therefore bad.

I see.

Also everyone keep in mind that scum has daychat.  That will allow them to coordinate quicklynches tomorrow if we don't get one of them today.

[gkrieg13]

Iguana.

I'm not scum. Awaclus might be. Switch your vote please

[gkrieg13]

Deadline is in 45 minutes

[gkrieg13]

Either that or I have to get Joseph to move his vote, but it seems like he is not going to be here before the deadline.

[gkrieg13]

I'm very angry right now.  Town is playing this horribly.

[silverspawn]

I know I could've been making more of an effort, but I already reread everything (which took quite a while), so I'm just not motivated.

gkrieg has convinced me. Awaclus hasn't. I want to lynch Awaclus.

[gkrieg13]

I know I could've been making more of an effort, but I already reread everything (which took quite a while), so I'm just not motivated.

gkrieg has convinced me. Awaclus hasn't. I want to lynch Awaclus.

Unfortunately I don't think this will make a difference.

Please lynch Awaclus tomorrow, and then maybe ced.  I didn't like the way he was putting together the case on me.  And he is trying to protect Awaclus for some reason.

[gkrieg13]

Although I know that both ced and RR have looked at this thread in the last little bit.  I've been watching that page.  Hoping that Joseph or Iguana comes around.

[EFHW]

Vote Count 3.4

Awaclus (2): gkrieg, silverspawn
gkrieg (3): ced, iguana, Awaclus, Joseph

Not voting (1): Roadrunner

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to majority lynch
Day ends Friday, July 1st at 5 p.m.

[gkrieg13]

Sadly I really don't know what else I can do.

I guess I can post a reads list for you guys to look at tomorrow.

town:
gkrieg (duh)

Joseph (I think his vote on me was a lazy one.  I don't really see him as Awaclus's partner, which is the only reason why he saves him with his vote)
iguana (He just doesn't seem like he is scum here)
RR (he actually goes up in this case, because I really think that Awaclus is scum, which means that if he were off my lynch, it would've had to totally be a town mislynch, which would just be sad.)

null:
silver - I actually think that he and ced could be partners.  He hasn't been very present and really has stuck in the background for most of the game.

scum:
Awaclus (Mainly just because of the way that the wagons formed today.)

ced (The way he made his case on me all day was very scummy, and he really looks like he could be an Awaclus partner here).

So out of this I would actually lynch ced tomorrow.  Thinking more about it, he didn't really build a case on me for the things that I've done that have actually been scummy, like my stance on the Jimmmmm lynch.  Although I'm pretty sure at this point that Jimmmm probably asked to be bussed by his partners so I don't think this is that scummy anymore, considering Seprix and me were the biggest people against the Jimmmm lynch and scum has daychat so Jimmmm could've just told his partners to bus him.

[gkrieg13]

 

[gkrieg13]

I wish people were going to be around today actually.  I think we could've gotten a lynch on ced put together.

[gkrieg13]

Well at least I'll get to complain in the speccy

[gkrieg13]

Darn even with ss, Awaclus, and me, we can't pull off a ced lynch right now

[silverspawn]

dunno about ced. The case on you is kind of scummy, but everything else he's done isn't.

And if you flip scum he's pretty towny.