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[faust]

Just caught up and read everything.  I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana

To be fair, Iguana is probably playing like Awaclus, but yes, I do not like the stance he is taking, even if I am on the same side technically.

What does that mean?

[silverspawn]

Dating QTs will be made available to the speccy

Some other random thought that occurred to me.... do you think EFHW would have done this if there was a dating QT with 2 scum?

Anyone have an opinion on that? It was weirdly overlooked, but I think it's a decent piece of evidence (even though it's outguessing the mod).

oh, I didn't get the reason at first. They would reveal that they're scum in the QT. right.

that's pretty nice. And a mod error. Still nice though.

We need to stop leveraging information off mods, feels kind of dirty.

Disagreed. Mods shouldn't make these kinds of errors (though this one was pretty understandable). If they do, it's our job to exploit them.

As soon as we lynch scum, we'll have a semi-IC.

[Joseph2302]

Dating QTs will be made available to the speccy

Some other random thought that occurred to me.... do you think EFHW would have done this if there was a dating QT with 2 scum?

Anyone have an opinion on that? It was weirdly overlooked, but I think it's a decent piece of evidence (even though it's outguessing the mod).

oh, I didn't get the reason at first. They would reveal that they're scum in the QT. right.

that's pretty nice. And a mod error. Still nice though.

We need to stop leveraging information off mods, feels kind of dirty.

Well uh. I'm thinking it and I cannot unthink it and it's influencing my reads, so I should put it out there.

Well, we can't unthink it for this game.
I just think in future people should stop trying to do it.

[Awaclus]

Dating QTs will be made available to the speccy

Some other random thought that occurred to me.... do you think EFHW would have done this if there was a dating QT with 2 scum?

Anyone have an opinion on that? It was weirdly overlooked, but I think it's a decent piece of evidence (even though it's outguessing the mod).

oh, I didn't get the reason at first. They would reveal that they're scum in the QT. right.

that's pretty nice. And a mod error. Still nice though.

We need to stop leveraging information off mods, feels kind of dirty.

Well uh. I'm thinking it and I cannot unthink it and it's influencing my reads, so I should put it out there.

Well, we can't unthink it for this game.
I just think in future people should stop trying to do it.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introduction

[Joseph2302]

Dating QTs will be made available to the speccy

Some other random thought that occurred to me.... do you think EFHW would have done this if there was a dating QT with 2 scum?

Anyone have an opinion on that? It was weirdly overlooked, but I think it's a decent piece of evidence (even though it's outguessing the mod).

oh, I didn't get the reason at first. They would reveal that they're scum in the QT. right.

that's pretty nice. And a mod error. Still nice though.

We need to stop leveraging information off mods, feels kind of dirty.

Well uh. I'm thinking it and I cannot unthink it and it's influencing my reads, so I should put it out there.

Well, we can't unthink it for this game.
I just think in future people should stop trying to do it.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introduction

Yes, I read it, well some of it anyway.
And yes we play to win, but I want to play to win and in the "best" way possible.

[faust]

I just think in future people should stop trying to do it.

I did not try to do anything. I read it, and the thought formed. That is not something to be prevented.

[gkrieg13]

Ok going to reread everything, didn't get to RVS, so vote: Witherweaver

[faust]

Ok going to reread everything, didn't get to RVS, so vote: Witherweaver

People who don't play are the scummiest.

[iguanaiguana]

Just caught up and read everything.  I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana

To be fair, Iguana is probably playing like Awaclus, but yes, I do not like the stance he is taking, even if I am on the same side technically.

What does that mean?

I once described Awaclus as a beautiful butterfly just emerging from its coconut, and now I am doomed to repeat his inscrutability for the first 20 pages of the game, until I get pissed about how everyone is scumreading me.

[faust]

Just caught up and read everything.  I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana

To be fair, Iguana is probably playing like Awaclus, but yes, I do not like the stance he is taking, even if I am on the same side technically.

What does that mean?

I once described Awaclus as a beautiful butterfly just emerging from its coconut, and now I am doomed to repeat his inscrutability for the first 20 pages of the game, until I get pissed about how everyone is scumreading me.

I'm not even scumreading you! Also, what's that butterfly doing in a coconut? Though this is Awaclus we're talking about, so I can't say I'm really surprised.

[Roadrunner7671]

Just caught up and read everything.  I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana

To be fair, Iguana is probably playing like Awaclus, but yes, I do not like the stance he is taking, even if I am on the same side technically.

What does that mean?

I once described Awaclus as a beautiful butterfly just emerging from its coconut, and now I am doomed to repeat his inscrutability for the first 20 pages of the game, until I get pissed about how everyone is scumreading me.

Must be a pretty deformed butterfly if it comes out of a coconut.

[gkrieg13]

So initial thoughts:

I thought faust was on a break before my game started!  Jk glad to have you back
scum has daychat

Right off the bat, this post stands out to me.  But maybe he is just trying to get his RVS in.  Seprix lives for puns.

I feel like RR is too aware of his meta for this post

I think the votes on RR from ss and faust are interesting.  Mainly that they were right after each other.  RR does seem scummy for that post though.

I don't like ADK voting for faust here though.  I actually don't like his reasoning for that vote at all.  But he is my date, so I'm conflicted.  Oh but then I like his reasoning here.  Although I don't agree with it.  I think RR was pretty scummy for that post

I don't like faust's vote on Awaclus either
 
I don't think ADK is scummy for pushing the case on faust
 
ced makes a very mafiaesque case on faust.  Good points and seems genuine.

I do like faust's defense of himself though

Joseph and RR seem townie to me.  Their banter outside of their QT I think is more likely from town!them

So I don't like the vote on Awaclus from faust, but his defense was fairly townie. 

Iguana seems town for me just on the feel of his posts

wow just read haddock's scumread on iguana which I totally don't agree with

I don't like outguessing the mod, and I don't think it is that telling.  I mean I guess scum might say oh crap we are in the same QT, but I don't know

Ok so not as much as I thought going on right now.

[faust]

I don't like outguessing the mod, and I don't think it is that telling.  I mean I guess scum might say oh crap we are in the same QT, but I don't know

Really? You think a scum QT would not clearly address that they are both scum, and would not use their QT as a proxy daychat? Just what do you think they would do with their QT? I do not buy this one bit.

Vote: gkrieg

[gkrieg13]

So town reads are:
RR
iguana
Joseph

scum reads are:
haddock
faust
ADK maybe slightly? (not really null, but I haven't decided if he was scummy or townie)

null that I remember something from:
Awaclus
ss
Seprix

that leaves one person I don't remember
jimmmmmm

and then one person that I just don't know but I feel like I should know something from
ced


vote: haddock

[gkrieg13]

I don't like outguessing the mod, and I don't think it is that telling.  I mean I guess scum might say oh crap we are in the same QT, but I don't know

Really? You think a scum QT would not clearly address that they are both scum, and would not use their QT as a proxy daychat? Just what do you think they would do with their QT? I do not buy this one bit.

Vote: gkrieg

Well if they use that QT as proxy daychat when they have daychat in the first place?  Why would you leave your other partner out of the conversation?

[gkrieg13]

I guess ADK and I don't really have anything in our QT, so I wasn't sure how everyone was using theirs.

[iguanaiguana]

Just caught up and read everything.  I may have missed bits and pieces (on phone) but my main takeaway here is a scummy vibe I'm getting from iguana. His posts just don't seem like him somehow. I'm aware this is super weak. But it's what I got. vote: iguana

To be fair, Iguana is probably playing like Awaclus, but yes, I do not like the stance he is taking, even if I am on the same side technically.

What does that mean?

I once described Awaclus as a beautiful butterfly just emerging from its coconut, and now I am doomed to repeat his inscrutability for the first 20 pages of the game, until I get pissed about how everyone is scumreading me.

I'm not even scumreading you! Also, what's that butterfly doing in a coconut? Though this is Awaclus we're talking about, so I can't say I'm really surprised.

I'm not even pissed! Let's be honest. Once upon a time I promised to never listen to anything you said, then the next game we had to be scumbuddies, so I had to settle for just pretending that I wasn't listening to anything you said. Then I took a long break, then you took a long break, and now finally we're *probably* both town together so I get the honest chance I deserve to lower both our winrates by angrily scumreading you at the drop of a hat.

As for the coconut thing, I've already forgotten it.

[iguanaiguana]

I guess ADK and I don't really have anything in our QT, so I wasn't sure how everyone was using theirs.

I told ced about everyone's meta.

[faust]

I don't like outguessing the mod, and I don't think it is that telling.  I mean I guess scum might say oh crap we are in the same QT, but I don't know

Really? You think a scum QT would not clearly address that they are both scum, and would not use their QT as a proxy daychat? Just what do you think they would do with their QT? I do not buy this one bit.

Vote: gkrieg

Well if they use that QT as proxy daychat when they have daychat in the first place?  Why would you leave your other partner out of the conversation?

Ah, they have daychat. Good point. Doesn't make you much townier though.

[iguanaiguana]

I don't like outguessing the mod, and I don't think it is that telling.  I mean I guess scum might say oh crap we are in the same QT, but I don't know

Really? You think a scum QT would not clearly address that they are both scum, and would not use their QT as a proxy daychat? Just what do you think they would do with their QT? I do not buy this one bit.

Vote: gkrieg

Gkrieg, this is like an invitation to OMGUS

[faust]

Oh, by the way gkrieg, could you not make your links direct to a page that makes you quote the post you wanted to link to? It's irritating.

[faust]

The whole daychat thing makes my mod outguessing game a whole lot worse though... it still has validity, but much less than I thought.

[faust]

That was one major setup for a townslip   

[silverspawn]

That was one major setup for a townslip   

I don't think the argument loses its merit because of the daychat. They'd still mention it. Even if they haven't yet, they might, and EFHW might not want to share it because of that.

Town points for your slip, though. pretending ignorance isn't a thing you like to do I don' think.

[faust]

That was one major setup for a townslip   

I don't think the argument loses its merit because of the daychat. They'd still mention it. Even if they haven't yet, they might, and EFHW might not want to share it because of that.

Town points for your slip, though. pretending ignorance isn't a thing you like to do I don' think.

Well, EFHW could encourage them not to do that, since that doesn't harm their team. It might then still be possible for QT readers to infer the scum QT from lack of activity, so there's still a point in not sharing them, but I think EFHW could have determined that it would be fine this way.