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[iguanaiguana]

I'm not done rereading yet, sorry. Will get a chance to do some tonight probably. I'm gonna try to do targetted rereads of everyone separately.

I'm not so much worried about you as the lurkers.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright, I'm bored and want to move this game forward.

My results implicate one person and completely clear another person. Between that and a third person who has made a number of pretty authentic townslips in the past couple days, I believe I have the game completely solved from my perspective.

The only way town loses here is if scum counterclaims and gets me lynched, or if I'm completely wrong about that third person.

I've been holding off on my claim because it makes it harder for scum to counterclaim, but I could also just give my results now and we could get on to winning this game.

What do you guys think?

[gkrieg13]

Haddock:

  Has the RVS thing on iguana
  unvotes and says there isn't enough information on iguana
  kinda OMGUSes e and votes for e
  I don't actually like his big defense post.  He claims that he always hedges on D1, which I just don't like as an argument.  He does kinda have to grasp at straws here, seeing as he really is at L-1 like 2 pages into the game (insert Awaclus saying that we were only 1 page into the game)
  Puts e at mild scum, WW at mild town, and iguana and me at null
  votes for RR
  he really is a little more wordy than I remember him being
  says he needs to reread me because he is getting scummy vibes
  after the reread, he says I'm not scummy
  says he could hammer chairs after a reread
  wants chairs to put up a reads list
  says e feels scummy, WW feels townie, would still lynch chairs after his reread
  says my hammer is scummy
  says RR is a good place to start if chairs was town
 
D2:
  puts RR at L-1
  keeps pushing the wagon
  defends himself from a vote from e
  gives town points to iguana for rereading, scum points for me after thinking more about the hammer
  after doing a reread, he says that e and WW look scummy to him
  after reread, he also wants to switch his vote to me, but doesn't
  so he actually scumreads everyone alive except iguana
  oh then does move his vote after he isn't at L-1.  Now I see.
  wants me to be lynched, but says he would also go for WW
  goes back to voting for RR
 
D3:
  his reaction to the mislynch seems genuinely frustrated
  His wagon position analysis seems pretty good to me
   


So overall, I would say that my scum list is e>WW>>Haddock>>>>Iguana

Barring a counterclaim, it seems like the team just has to be e + WW, but I am fine waiting to see if there is a counterclaim, and results and such
 

[gkrieg13]

Alright, I'm bored and want to move this game forward.

My results implicate one person and completely clear another person. Between that and a third person who has made a number of pretty authentic townslips in the past couple days, I believe I have the game completely solved from my perspective.

The only way town loses here is if scum counterclaims and gets me lynched, or if I'm completely wrong about that third person.

I've been holding off on my claim because it makes it harder for scum to counterclaim, but I could also just give my results now and we could get on to winning this game.

What do you guys think?

I'm good for you claiming and such.  I really don't think there will be a counterclaim, seeing as you should probably claim you are PR the first time you post in the thread if there is only one left and you are it.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright,

I'm the tracker. N1 I tracked Gkrieg, no action. First post D2 I breadcrumbed this by saying something like "what was with the scummy hammer Gkrieg?" and then immediately posting "Nevermind, I don't like the case of (SIC) Gkrieg."
N2 I tracked WW and found that he targeted Gkrieg at night.

This means that Witherweaver is the mafia rolecop or roleblocker, depending on whether we're playing setup 1 or 12. It also means that Gkrieg is town, unless some really crazy shenanigans went down at night.

I think that Haddock is town because of a few townslips, so that makes the scum team WW/e.

[iguanaiguana]

RR was right, scum probably deserve to win this game.

This is one of the town slips. Haddock, if you said this as scum, you're an ass.

[gkrieg13]

Alright,

I'm the tracker. N1 I tracked Gkrieg, no action. First post D2 I breadcrumbed this by saying something like "what was with the scummy hammer Gkrieg?" and then immediately posting "Nevermind, I don't like the case of (SIC) Gkrieg."
N2 I tracked WW and found that he targeted Gkrieg at night.

This means that Witherweaver is the mafia rolecop or roleblocker, depending on whether we're playing setup 1 or 12. It also means that Gkrieg is town, unless some really crazy shenanigans went down at night.

I think that Haddock is town because of a few townslips, so that makes the scum team WW/e.

That's the conclusion that I came to.  I think we should definitely lynch WW first though.

I'm confident enough in that that I think I'm going to vote.

[iguanaiguana]

The other townslip was thinking Awaclus was dead. That one's a lot easier to fake, but still.

[gkrieg13]

Although I also think that I'll wait to see what the other two have to say, just incase the scum team is II/Haddock

[iguanaiguana]

Cool, let's do it. 

Vote: Witherweaver

[iguanaiguana]

PPE: Yeah, ok then.

[2.71828.....]

ETA on something from WW or e?

Just got to the airport. Will probably have a bit of time after I check in

[iguanaiguana]

Although I also think that I'll wait to see what the other two have to say, just incase the scum team is II/Haddock

The funny thing is that the only roadblock I considered to victory would be Haddock thinking the scumteam was II/Gkrieg. I never considered that you would have to play around a possible II/Haddock scumteam.

[2.71828.....]

Cool. Tracker. With results. Not a huge fan of saying that a no action result should clear someone, but I need to reread now with that in mind. Won't have time before the flight to finish but maybe at my layover

[2.71828.....]

Oh, and no counterclaim here

[2.71828.....]

I am leaning toward gkrieg/WW. I recognize the result cleats gkrieg of taking an action on N1, but with his hammer out is totally possible that scum (knowing most of the setup) elected to not use their action. Especially since the cop was lynched D1 and not great probability of hitting the last town pr.

I can totally see haddock as scum, but every time I say that he convinces me again to postpone and vote elsewhere. Maybe just good scum play but going for just plain town

[iguanaiguana]

Cool. Tracker. With results. Not a huge fan of saying that a no action result should clear someone, but I need to reread now with that in mind. Won't have time before the flight to finish but maybe at my layover

What clears Gkrieg is that I tracked Witherweaver and Witherweaver was targeting Gkrieg.

There are 2 town PRs and one scum PR in this setup. Chairs was one town PR, and I'm the other. The fact that Witherweaver was targeting Gkrieg last night means that he's the scum PR, who is either a roleblocker or a rolecop.

The only way that Gkrieg can be scum then is if scum!WW was targeting his own teammate. It doesn't make sense to do this under any circumstances. 50% odds WW is a roleblocker, in which case targeting his teammate would have blocked the night kill and been impossible. If WW is rolecop, then taking no action would have been the same as rolecopping his own partner just to confuse me when he knew there was very likely to be a tracker in the setup.

Therefore, Gkrieg is cleared because of WW targeting him.

[2.71828.....]

Oh yeah. Reading. So yeah. Gkrieg is town.

[2.71828.....]

Oh yeah. Reading. So yeah. Gkrieg is town.

I mean, if iguana is town.

[iguanaiguana]

Um? Case closed? e stumbling over his own words here should basically confirm him as scum with WW.

[2.71828.....]

Um? Case closed? e stumbling over his own words here should basically confirm him as scum with WW.

How does this close any cases? Your case on me is weak poe at best. Me stumbling over my words means I don't read well enough sometimes. You know, like I do every other game

[iguanaiguana]

Um? Case closed? e stumbling over his own words here should basically confirm him as scum with WW.

How does this close any cases? Your case on me is weak poe at best. Me stumbling over my words means I don't read well enough sometimes. You know, like I do every other game

Actually my case on you is really really strong PoE. Your play was good though.

[2.71828.....]

Um? Case closed? e stumbling over his own words here should basically confirm him as scum with WW.

How does this close any cases? Your case on me is weak poe at best. Me stumbling over my words means I don't read well enough sometimes. You know, like I do every other game

Actually my case on you is really really strong PoE. Your play was good though.

"Haddock town slipped" =/= really strong PoE

[iguanaiguana]

Um? Case closed? e stumbling over his own words here should basically confirm him as scum with WW.

How does this close any cases? Your case on me is weak poe at best. Me stumbling over my words means I don't read well enough sometimes. You know, like I do every other game

Actually my case on you is really really strong PoE. Your play was good though.

"Haddock town slipped" =/= really strong PoE

Yeah, but you and WW both tunneled Haddock the whole game, while townreading each other, and sitting back and watching while the rest of us made a mess of everything.

[2.71828.....]

Because yeah, if everything you say is right, then gkrieg gets to decide if I am scum or if haddock is scum. So sure,  PoE is real, 50/50. But, you know, lylo