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[silverspawn]

Actually mostly concede that the set theory arguments are weak

[silverspawn]

Like if it were anything of what any of you three think, why include the "5"?

[infangthief]

the reason why I don't buy that is because of the "5". Without the "5" comment, you have the value of the sum as one property of many. But with the "5" comment, we are explicitly being told that the sum is the important property, and that property splits our data set 3:1.

It splits the data set 3:1, but I think >75% of people will use that information to rule out 4+2.

[silverspawn]

Most certainly true; 4+2 has 17% responses

[infangthief]

Well that shows that 83% of people did one of the following:

• Used "5" to rule out 4+2
• Thought that other people would use "5" to rule out 4+2
• Thought that other people would think that other people would use "5" to rule out 4+2
• Thought that other people would think that other people would think that other people would use "5" to rule out 4+2
• ...
• Didn't notice the "5".

[silverspawn]

Right, but I don't think asking "which of these is the shelling point" means literally "what will most of you pick", but rather "what is the most logical distinct option"

[faust]

I have to assume that the extra prompt "5" is there for a reason

Isn't this *the* argument for picking 4+2. If "5" wasn't included, I'd have picked 5+0 (with 2+3 a runner-up).

I would have picked 4+2 without the extra prompt (I think anyways; there's no real way to test that now that I am spoiled with extra information). I think we agree that the "5" should influence us towards picking something else, but we have different starting points.

[infangthief]

Right, but I don't think asking "which of these is the shelling point" means literally "what will most of you pick", but rather "what is the most logical distinct option"

Ok, yeh, I haven't come across Schelling Point until today. I would say 4+2 is the most logically distinct, yes. Including "5" in the question is weird though.

[infangthief]

Which one of these is a Schelling Point?

• The option that most people will pick.
• The most logically distinct option.
• This option.
• A fictitious marsupial that lives underwater.

[silverspawn]

Well, there's a difference between "what is the shelling point in general" and "what is the shelling point in this poll", and the question is ambiguous. The answer to the first question is either 1 or 2, or at least that's what we debated. But the answer to the second question is clearly 4, since that's an animal rather than a poll option. I would say 3 is the right answer since this breaks the symmetry by virtue of not being the right answer under either interpretation.

Insofar as any of this is a joke, it has just become funnier

[Awaclus]

Right, but I don't think asking "which of these is the shelling point" means literally "what will most of you pick", but rather "what is the most logical distinct option"

4+2 is definitely the most logical distinct option. I interpreted it as a coordination puzzle, which makes the question more like "what will most of you pick", with the nuance that it isn't clear if it's most of the respondents or the majority in some other group of people, e.g. everyone (which would be another mildly interesting Schelling point poll: out of unlimited options, which group of people are you supposed to find a Schelling point in?).

[Awaclus]

(which would be another mildly interesting Schelling point poll: out of unlimited options, which group of people are you supposed to find a Schelling point in?).

I mean what is the Schelling point for that question.

[silverspawn]

I think the fact that the person who made the poll then responded to their own poll saying "This is an IQ test." made me think it wasn't "what will the majority pick", which otherwise would be a decent interpretation

[faust]

Are IQ tests a sensible measure of human intelligence?

a) Yes
b) No
c) This is the Schelling point for this question.

[faust]

Are IQ tests a sensible measure of human intelligence?

a) Yes
b) No
c) This is the Schelling point for this question.

This is an IQ test.

[silverspawn]

c)

[silverspawn]

The person who made this poll (I feel like I have to add more and more context with every comment) is also an outspoken proponent of the "there are many types of intelligence" thing, and maybe that was trying to get at philosophical intelligence. But maybe it was also just a joke.

[silverspawn]

Pretty dope

[silverspawn]

Could I have finally managed a decent opening? Maybe.

Is decent good enough? Definitely not. Did I manage a great opening? Probably not. But at least I'm trying.

[silverspawn]

I'm trying something like extreme show-don't-tell in story form. That is, you get to know what happens, and sometimes what the main character thinks about in the moment, but you do not, and I mean not at all, get additional context provided by the narrator. You have to figure it out from the actual plot like in an Olivier Assayas movie.

[silverspawn]

The One True Solution To The Trolley Problem

[silverspawn]

Maybe this is just me, but my idea about what attracts fruit flies were completely wrong before I had the unpleasant experience of gathering first-hand data. I thought they like sugary things, definitely honey, and food in general. Nope, don't care about honey at all. Don't care about most food, actually. They do like rotten things, which is the one thing I was right about, and aside from that, the one thing they absolutely love is vinegar. They love love LOVE it. Nothing else non-rotten attracts them that reliably. I can't put vinegar into salad anymore because then the risk of a fly becomes intolerable.

[silverspawn]

and the curves are so steep, like everything will be fine, and then suddenly I enter the kitchen and there's a swarm of them above the sink. Why? Sometimes I have an idea, other times it's just confusing.

[silverspawn]

Knowledge is better than ignorance, but I make an exception for every time in my life I've eaten a fruit fly without noticing. Yuck.

[silverspawn]