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[faust]

Hmmm...

Princess

[Eevee]

Princess is...




neutral

[Eevee]

HEAD	BREAK	PYRAMID	MINT	STREAM
BUG	TAG	MAMMOTH	GROUND	COURT
BALL	NIGHT	SPY	ROCK	CAKE
PRINCESS	PLASTIC	CROWN	TOKYO	BAND
CHICK	ENGLAND	TORCH	AMERICA	POISON

[teamlyle]

Sorry for my poor performance this game!

Descole: 5

[gkrieg13]

It's not your fault.

spy-> England

[eHalcyon]

At least to me these block guesses -> block reveals take some of it out, so I thought that'd be more fun.

I hear you. But not doing them is game-theoretically suboptimal as long as we allow them.

That's false!  This extra information may help your spymaster provide you with better clues, but it can also help the other side!  For example, as the opposing spymaster, I once decided on a different clue because you (or gkrieg?) indicated a suspicion for a word that was one of ours!  Instead of going with a clue that would cover that word, I picked a different clue to leave that option up as a trap.  Can't remember if that worked out, but it was a thing.

Also, if you indicate a suspicion for something correct but an earlier guess stops the chain, that can influence the opposing guesser!  For example, gkrieg's above chain of guesses was stopped by Mammoth, but he mentioned break and tag as follow-ups.  Maybe faust will now avoid those words if he thinks gkrieg's reasoning makes sense.

[faust]

At least to me these block guesses -> block reveals take some of it out, so I thought that'd be more fun.

I hear you. But not doing them is game-theoretically suboptimal as long as we allow them.

That's false!  This extra information may help your spymaster provide you with better clues, but it can also help the other side!  For example, as the opposing spymaster, I once decided on a different clue because you (or gkrieg?) indicated a suspicion for a word that was one of ours!  Instead of going with a clue that would cover that word, I picked a different clue to leave that option up as a trap.  Can't remember if that worked out, but it was a thing.

Also, if you indicate a suspicion for something correct but an earlier guess stops the chain, that can influence the opposing guesser!  For example, gkrieg's above chain of guesses was stopped by Mammoth, but he mentioned break and tag as follow-ups.  Maybe faust will now avoid those words if he thinks gkrieg's reasoning makes sense.

Sure, it can help the other team. So can flat-out guessing if you guess the wrong word. That doesn't prove that you should make no guesses. I think overall the benefits outweigh the costs. And even if the other team does not make suggestions, you should keep in mind anyway what their remaining words could be based on their clues, and act accordingly.

[Eevee]

Red and...







red!

[gkrieg13]

Let's go tag next

[Eevee]

Also red!

[gkrieg13]

Break?

[teamlyle]

That's also red!

[gkrieg13]

HEAD	BREAK	PYRAMID	MINT	STREAM
BUG	TAG	MAMMOTH	GROUND	COURT
BALL	NIGHT	SPY	ROCK	CAKE
PRINCESS	PLASTIC	CROWN	TOKYO	BAND
CHICK	ENGLAND	TORCH	AMERICA	POISON

[gkrieg13]

HEAD	BREAK	PYRAMID	MINT	STREAM
BUG	TAG	MAMMOTH	GROUND	COURT
BALL	NIGHT	SPY	ROCK	CAKE
PRINCESS	PLASTIC	CROWN	TOKYO	BAND
CHICK	ENGLAND	TORCH	AMERICA	POISON

So I think this is where I am at this point.

Firefly was bug and night,
Manhunt was tag, break, ??
Descole was spy, England, ??

I think rock probably makes the most sense?  I don't think Descole ever wore a crown, if I remember correctly, and ground and band just don't really work?  Also Manhunt was developed by Rockstar games, so...

ROCK?

[teamlyle]

neutral

gg

[gkrieg13]

neutral

gg

Darn.  So close

[faust]

HEAD	BREAK	PYRAMID	MINT	STREAM
BUG	TAG	MAMMOTH	GROUND	COURT
BALL	NIGHT	SPY	ROCK	CAKE
PRINCESS	PLASTIC	CROWN	TOKYO	BAND
CHICK	ENGLAND	TORCH	AMERICA	POISON

So I think this is where I am at this point.

Firefly was bug and night,
Manhunt was tag, break, ??
Descole was spy, England, ??

I think rock probably makes the most sense?  I don't think Descole ever wore a crown, if I remember correctly, and ground and band just don't really work?  Also Manhunt was developed by Rockstar games, so...

ROCK?

I know it's not intentional, but it can be misleading if you post a grid with colors that haven't actually been revealed. Let's not do that.

[gkrieg13]

HEAD	BREAK	PYRAMID	MINT	STREAM
BUG	TAG	MAMMOTH	GROUND	COURT
BALL	NIGHT	SPY	ROCK	CAKE
PRINCESS	PLASTIC	CROWN	TOKYO	BAND
CHICK	ENGLAND	TORCH	AMERICA	POISON

So I think this is where I am at this point.

Firefly was bug and night,
Manhunt was tag, break, ??
Descole was spy, England, ??

I think rock probably makes the most sense?  I don't think Descole ever wore a crown, if I remember correctly, and ground and band just don't really work?  Also Manhunt was developed by Rockstar games, so...

ROCK?

I know it's not intentional, but it can be misleading if you post a grid with colors that haven't actually been revealed. Let's not do that.

Sorry, I figured that at this point, I either needed to win, or you guys would easily get the win.  I wouldn't do that in the middle of the game, I was just trying to figure out our last word.

[eHalcyon]

At least to me these block guesses -> block reveals take some of it out, so I thought that'd be more fun.

I hear you. But not doing them is game-theoretically suboptimal as long as we allow them.

That's false!  This extra information may help your spymaster provide you with better clues, but it can also help the other side!  For example, as the opposing spymaster, I once decided on a different clue because you (or gkrieg?) indicated a suspicion for a word that was one of ours!  Instead of going with a clue that would cover that word, I picked a different clue to leave that option up as a trap.  Can't remember if that worked out, but it was a thing.

Also, if you indicate a suspicion for something correct but an earlier guess stops the chain, that can influence the opposing guesser!  For example, gkrieg's above chain of guesses was stopped by Mammoth, but he mentioned break and tag as follow-ups.  Maybe faust will now avoid those words if he thinks gkrieg's reasoning makes sense.

Sure, it can help the other team. So can flat-out guessing if you guess the wrong word. That doesn't prove that you should make no guesses. I think overall the benefits outweigh the costs. And even if the other team does not make suggestions, you should keep in mind anyway what their remaining words could be based on their clues, and act accordingly.

My point was that it's not necessarily/always sub-optimal. Sometimes the right move is to not guess. I'm pretty sure even you have opted not to take every guess available to you.

[Eevee]

hen: 1

[faust]

Well... Chick.

[Eevee]

Blue!

[Eevee]

Gg! New game?

[teamlyle]

Good game! You guys played well.

My clues probably could've been better this game. Firefly was night and bug (I probably should have chosen cricket or something instead), manhunt was tag, night, and spy, and Descole was spy, england, ground, and break (and I was hoping you would guess tag from the previous clue, which is why I said 5 instead of 4.)

[faust]

Good game! You guys played well.

My clues probably could've been better this game. Firefly was night and bug (I probably should have chosen cricket or something instead), manhunt was tag, night, and spy, and Descole was spy, england, ground, and break (and I was hoping you would guess tag from the previous clue, which is why I said 5 instead of 4.)

If you say 5, that means that clues are for 5 words. You could have said 4 and gkrieg is always allowed to guess one more, and it would have given him the hint that the last word is for an earlier clue.