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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #500 on: March 11, 2016, 07:22:23 pm »
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Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #501 on: March 11, 2016, 07:22:43 pm »
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Also, those were reductio ad absurdum examples to show the issue with 'inauthentic by the definition of the word.'
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #502 on: March 11, 2016, 07:23:05 pm »
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Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #503 on: March 11, 2016, 07:24:55 pm »
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It's an issue if you're saying ethnicity Y people cannot play roles based on source material where the base character had ethnicity Z.  Especially when the relative sizes of Y, Z, etc. have great disparity. 
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #504 on: March 11, 2016, 07:26:19 pm »
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Okay, to end this discussion about what skin color she really has - it actually is stated in the books.

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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, chapter 21 : "Hermione's white face was sticking out from behind a tree."

(See? Subtle! I'm sure this has been intentional.)


I'm going to assume this is where they're running from werewolves and dementors. I could easily see someone describing someone's face as white if you're being chased by crazy stuff. BUT I think this shows that Rowling thought of Hermione as light skinned. But I don't think it's her intentional way of saying "she's definately white, guys! I'll point to this later!".

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

It's the INTERNET! And we think someone's wrong. So we have to correct them.
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« Reply #505 on: March 11, 2016, 07:34:27 pm »
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I'm going to assume this is where they're running from werewolves and dementors. I could easily see someone describing someone's face as white if you're being chased by crazy stuff. BUT I think this shows that Rowling thought of Hermione as light skinned. But I don't think it's her intentional way of saying "she's definately white, guys! I'll point to this later!".

I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

Why does anyone care? It's a crappy continuation of a mediocre series, it's not like you're actually going to see the play or anything.

I think the harry potter series is a masterpiece - that's why I care; otherwise I wouldn't.

It's an issue if you're saying ethnicity Y people cannot play roles based on source material where the base character had ethnicity Z.  Especially when the relative sizes of Y, Z, etc. have great disparity. 

I'm saying that if a black person plays a white person in a stage play or vice versa then you're being inauthentic because they look different. Other assets, cultural, whatever, different story, because you can't see them. They're actors, they play a character.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #506 on: March 11, 2016, 07:35:24 pm »
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I'm saying that if a black person plays a white person in a stage play or vice versa then you're being inauthentic because they look different. Other assets, cultural, whatever, different story, because you can't see them. They're actors, they play a character.

And this has precisely happened, many many times, to no negative consequence.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #507 on: March 11, 2016, 07:36:05 pm »
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Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.
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« Reply #508 on: March 11, 2016, 07:38:57 pm »
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Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I wouldn't say you have to cast a black guy; you only need to portray the character as being black, given that it's important.  If casting a black actor is your way of doing it, fine.  If you want to do it in another way (that works), fine.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #509 on: March 11, 2016, 07:40:39 pm »
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Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I can assure you: it matters. People care about it. For many, if they are deeply invested into a series, and it is put into a visual medium, they care how the characters look. I mean, of course they do. Why do you think movies are flooded with pretty looking people? People care how other people look.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #510 on: March 11, 2016, 07:41:54 pm »
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Plus there is a big difference between stage and movies.  Visual imagery for immersion is much more important in a movie, and not for theater.

Whether she's white or not, it's not important for the character or the plot. If you make a movie about slavery you don't caste a white guy as a black slave. You cast a black guy. But Hermione's character isn't affected by her skin colour, nor is any situation she's in get affected by it, so it doesn't matter who they cast for the role.

I can assure you: it matters. People care about it. For many, if they are deeply invested into a series, and it is put into a visual medium, they care how the characters look. I mean, of course they do. Why do you think movies are flooded with pretty looking people? People care how other people look.

This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #511 on: March 11, 2016, 07:44:51 pm »
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This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.

I haven't seen plays before.

And the audience for this play is not the community that knows plays well; it's the community that knows the harry potter series well. There are a lot of harry potter fans out there, they are going to watch this.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #512 on: March 11, 2016, 07:46:23 pm »
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I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

The series also has a bunch of plot holes and stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't think it has an amazing attention to detail.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #513 on: March 11, 2016, 07:47:48 pm »
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This is probably more posts in one day than Random Stuff Part III has had in it's entire history.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #514 on: March 11, 2016, 07:49:21 pm »
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Probably. :P
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #515 on: March 11, 2016, 07:49:27 pm »
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This is what makes me think you haven't seen plays before.

I haven't seen plays before.

And the audience for this play is not the community that knows plays well; it's the community that knows the harry potter series well. There are a lot of harry potter fans out there, they are going to watch this.

This applies to all the other examples.  It's not an issue.
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« Reply #516 on: March 11, 2016, 07:59:04 pm »
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I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

The series also has a bunch of plot holes and stuff that doesn't make sense. I don't think it has an amazing attention to detail.

It does have plot holes. I don't think that means that it doesn't have amazing attention to detail. I don't think they're the same thing; one is more about story construction, the other thing is about, well, details. And it's also very few plot holes given the scope of the story.

Although I tried to google it and don't want to hide it just because it backs up your case; here is what Rowling has said (in response to the people who cared about her skin color in the play) (on Twitter):
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Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #517 on: March 11, 2016, 08:10:59 pm »
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I would bet at least 100$ against 20$ that it is in fact what she is saying, intentionally. It's not the first time that she packs information into such small details; e.g. you can infer the date at which the books are taking place from the date of death of the headless nick and his 1000th celebration thing - and that date was stated once in the very first book. The series has an amazing attention to detail.

I'll accept the bet!

Given that Rowling tweeted this:

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Canon: brown eyes, frizzy hair and very clever. White skin was never specified. Rowling loves black Hermione 😘

It doesn't really sound like she even remembers that detail herself.

EDIT: Oh, you actually just posted this yourself. Didn't see it in the PPE while I was digging for the quote for some reason.

I think the harry potter series is a masterpiece

O-oh. Okay then.


On another note, how can people have not seen any plays? I'm not even super into plays myself, but I've still seen dozens of them.
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« Reply #518 on: March 11, 2016, 08:14:39 pm »
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I'll accept the bet!

Well after finding that quote, I wouldn't make the bet anymore. I'd give it about 50% now, maybe a bit less -- she's already sold her soul, in my view, so I wouldn't put it past her to lie here.

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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #519 on: March 11, 2016, 08:16:41 pm »
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I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #520 on: March 11, 2016, 08:18:42 pm »
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I've mostly seen amateur plays and musicals.
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« Reply #521 on: March 11, 2016, 08:44:52 pm »
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I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

I saw Venus in Fur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Fur) by David Ives a few years ago.  It was one of my favorite things I've seen on stage.

I also saw Waiting for Godot with Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Billy Crudup.  Very good.
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Re: Random Stuff Part III
« Reply #522 on: March 11, 2016, 10:23:53 pm »
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I've mostly seen amateur plays and musicals.

Sometimes that's the best stuff.

I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

I saw Venus in Fur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Fur) by David Ives a few years ago.  It was one of my favorite things I've seen on stage.

I also saw Waiting for Godot with Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Billy Crudup.  Very good.

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« Reply #523 on: March 12, 2016, 12:06:28 am »
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I love plays, I see plays all the time, who wants to talk about plays?

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« Reply #524 on: March 12, 2016, 05:35:50 am »
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