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[Witherweaver]

EFHW, RR, are you both claiming VT?

[Roadrunner7671]

EFHW, RR, are you both claiming VT?

Yes, I am a VT.

[EFHW]

<3 SS. But man, EFHW, it's okay to find me scummy, but at least have a backup plan. Is there anyone else that you're okay with lynching?

My other choices are: WW, EgorK, silver.  WW would be playing a very long game if he were scum.  Not his style.  I don't know EgorK at all.  He has seemed mild-mannered and towny in this game.  silver is so confused, I think he would be paying more attention if he were scum.  He likes to create "towntells", I suppose, but he's being so consistently muddled it seems genuine to me.  That leaves you.

If someone can say more about EgorK's usual style that would help, I guess.

[EFHW]

EFHW, RR, are you both claiming VT?

Yes.

[Roadrunner7671]

<3 SS. But man, EFHW, it's okay to find me scummy, but at least have a backup plan. Is there anyone else that you're okay with lynching?

My other choices are: WW, EgorK, silver.  WW would be playing a very long game if he were scum.  Not his style.  I don't know EgorK at all.  He has seemed mild-mannered and towny in this game.  silver is so confused, I think he would be paying more attention if he were scum.  He likes to create "towntells", I suppose, but he's being so consistently muddled it seems genuine to me.  That leaves you.

If someone can say more about EgorK's usual style that would help, I guess.

So I'm just the best of bad options? I feel so special.

[Witherweaver]

Egor's usual style is lurky, not very open or helpful/pro-town.  His play here seems like town him. 

[EFHW]

Rereading EgorK I notice that he voted Awaclus early on Day 4 and in doing so mentioned that Awaclus had unvoted from XP at one point.  This seems like something a partner would not point out.  It was also strategically completely unnecessary for scum to start a wagon on Awaclus at that time. He at no point wavered from his position on Awaclus, despite lots of claiming and other things going on.  He had an opportunity to join Teproc on a silver wagon, for example.

Day 1 he is not on the Hydrad wagon. Day 2 he is first on the XP wagon and stays there, Day 3 he is second.  (RR was first, but unvoted.  Hard to know what that means b/c there was a request for an unvote b/c of L-1.)

I really don't think EgorK was partners with XP and Awaclus.

[EFHW]

Another thing - if RR was town, wouldn't the remaining mafia be finding a way to agree with me about him?

[Roadrunner7671]

Another thing - if RR was town, wouldn't the remaining mafia be finding a way to agree with me about him?

White-knighting is one of RR's weaknesses. I think everyone but Egor knows that.

[EFHW]

Another thing - if RR was town, wouldn't the remaining mafia be finding a way to agree with me about him?

Please don't let that discourage anyone from agreeing with me!

[EFHW]

Another thing - if RR was town, wouldn't the remaining mafia be finding a way to agree with me about him?

White-knighting is one of RR's weaknesses. I think everyone but Egor knows that.

?? The mafia would be white-knighting you, not the other way around.  And as silver pointed out, it doesn't make a lot of sense for mafia to white knight at this point in the game.

[Roadrunner7671]

Another thing - if RR was town, wouldn't the remaining mafia be finding a way to agree with me about him?

White-knighting is one of RR's weaknesses. I think everyone but Egor knows that.

?? The mafia would be white-knighting you, not the other way around.  And as silver pointed out, it doesn't make a lot of sense for mafia to white knight at this point in the game.

Mafia is like 'yeah guys, RR is town.' Mafia then kills x. Mafia and RR are at LyLo, RR agrees with Mafia, Mafia wins. It seems pretty sound.

[EFHW]

Awaclus's and RR's voting records:

Day 1

vote count 1.2 Awaclus is voting silver as an RVS vote.
1.3 RR is voting Hydrad, followed by XP, Awaclus stays with his RVS
1.4 Awaclus is voting RR, accusing him of linking to the article on playing scum and being scum at the same time.  Egork also still has RVS vote on RR.  RR is never in any danger.

Day 2

Awaclus and RR both stay off wagon until the very end of the day.  Then Awaclus votes ash, followed 1/2 hour later by RR voting ash.  Then ash self-voted.

Day 3

RR is first on XP wagon, Awaclus is third.  Both unvote when silver asks gkrieg to.  Neither ever goes back.

Day 4

Awaclus votes WW for lying, RR follows suit.  No one else votes WW.

666 RR unvotes WW b/c "Awaclus is scummy now", but does not vote for him and is therefore off wagon when Awaclus is lynched.

[yuma]

Vote Count 5.2

RR (1): EFHW
ss (1): Egork

Not Voting: (3) RR, ss, WW


With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Day5 will last 7 days and will end January 30 at 11:59 forum time.

[EgorK]

I was pretty sure there was a mention that 5th PR can't be 1, 2 or 3, but seems yuma reconsidered while working on setup. So ss claim is possible.

I am roleblocker. I blocked Teproc N2, gkrieg N3 and EFHW N4. My N2 action lead to that cryptic dialogue with Teproc at the end of last day.

So let's play out scenarios. We had 12 shots no matter if ss telling the truth. So scum has bus driver left. It is irrelevant for role blocking purposes. I used 2 shots before N4, ash used 1 shot, cop used 2 I guess, Teproc used at most 4. Shot changer likely targeted WW if anyone, so there should not be shots lost there. We also lost 1 shot by lynching ash. So we likely had 2 shots before this night, and now have no shots if ss is town and Teproc used shots. EFHW could have been last scum if she used strongman from joat.

Ok, unvote for now, I need to calculate few things and think about this

[silverspawn]

ahah shiet so I claimed for absolutely nothing <.<

[silverspawn]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

[silverspawn]

oh that is assuming we still have shots left.

[Roadrunner7671]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

We have to consider Bus Driver shenanigans.

[EgorK]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

We have to consider Bus Driver shenanigans.

Which can't affect roleblocker. And can't self target. So no, we should not

[Roadrunner7671]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

We have to consider Bus Driver shenanigans.

Which can't affect roleblocker. And can't self target. So no, we should not

If you and Teproc got bus driven (for example) wouldn't Teproc watch whoever you were trying to roleblock and you'd roleblock whoever Teproc was trying to watch?

[EgorK]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

We have to consider Bus Driver shenanigans.

Which can't affect roleblocker. And can't self target. So no, we should not

If you and Teproc got bus driven (for example) wouldn't Teproc watch whoever you were trying to roleblock and you'd roleblock whoever Teproc was trying to watch?

Please read what bus driver is. With good probability it is in your PM. Thank you

[Roadrunner7671]

if we believe Egork, then EFHW is an IC, so it's either WW or RR, and I'm pretty sure it's not WW, so... RR?

We have to consider Bus Driver shenanigans.

Which can't affect roleblocker. And can't self target. So no, we should not

If you and Teproc got bus driven (for example) wouldn't Teproc watch whoever you were trying to roleblock and you'd roleblock whoever Teproc was trying to watch?

Please read what bus driver is. With good probability it is in your PM. Thank you

Bus Driver targets A and B and switches them.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, Bus Driver is confusing. But let's say I'm the Bus Driver and I bus drive EFHW and SS. Egor tries to roleblock EFHW, but Egor reall blocks SS. So how are roleblockers not impacted?

[EgorK]

Okay, Bus Driver is confusing. But let's say I'm the Bus Driver and I bus drive EFHW and SS. Egor tries to roleblock EFHW, but Egor reall blocks SS. So how are roleblockers not impacted?

They are both town and you are scum in that case, that's how