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[Teproc]

The downside of not having the plan is that we are going to be scrambling when, inevitably, people claim PRs at L-1.

Lynching PRs is pretty horrible, which means town is incentivized to not lynch scummy people who claim PRs, which means scum is incentivized to claim PRs in desperate situation. Which then means WIFOM etc. but it remains that having people commit before being under pressure would be nice.

It does mean our PRs are going to die, quickly, but there's a very real degree of risk to that for scum.
Like,if we only got three PRs this game, the plan probably loses the game on the spot. Scum lets WW alive because who cares about vigs, kills and roleblocks the other two and we're done.

Maybe I'm against the plan after all.

[Teproc]

It's good if we rolled 5 PRs, horrible if we rolled 3. If we rolled 4 we get a first good night but it's all downhill from there, so you better catch scum on night 1... nah it's too risky, count me as against.

[faust]

Like,if we only got three PRs this game, the plan probably loses the game on the spot. Scum lets WW alive because who cares about vigs, kills and roleblocks the other two and we're done.

Maybe I'm against the plan after all.

It is insanity to assume that we could not win the game without PRs...

If three PRs, we are left with a 10-player pool. We can get like 5 kills in that pool in before we lose. One should assume that it's possible to kill 1 scum in 5 kills.

I won't deny that this is the worst-case scenario. However, scum does not know which scenario we're in, so I very much doubt they would all claim VT.

[faust]

Vote: Hydrad L-1

[Teproc]

Well yeah i don't literally mean "game over", but if you're doing a plan to protect PR shots in which all our PRs die, then it's a bad plan.

In order for this plan to be good, it needs to be better than "don't lynch people who claim PR at L-1", and right now it doesn't look like it is.

Not that the above is that great either, but it's where I suspect we'll end up in the first few days anyway.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.5

RR (2): EgorK, Awaclus
EFHW (1): gkrieg
WW (2): ashersky, ss
hydrad (6): RR, Xerxes, WW, Teproc, ADK, faust (L-1)
gkrieg (1): EFHW
ss (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day1 will end Monday, January 18 at 8:00 am forum time.

[ashersky]

vote: hydrad

[ashersky]

Also, that wagon looks awesome.  WW, Tep, ADK, faust, and me?  Cray-cray.

[ashersky]

Also, WW, don't shoot tonight.  It'll burn a shot even if you are are blocked by scum, which is very bad for town.

[Teproc]

Most wagons would have looked that way on day 1 in this game, this is a pretty nice line-up.

Doesn't mean we're right... tentatively feel good about this though. Don't like the hammer much though.

PPE : Agreed.

[ashersky]

Well, it's was probably a scummy hammer, regardless of my alignment.

Also, RB in half the setups based on # of shots?  Seems sort of crap for the scum team.

[ashersky]

I actually think only one scum would be bussing here, at most.  It's early, no one would really expect a lynch to happen, no urgency to be on the wagon.

PPS with the fake vote due to fear of hammer is probably scummiest looking here.

[Teproc]

Well, it's was probably a scummy hammer, regardless of Hydrad's alignment.

FTFY.

[ashersky]

I like awaclus as the other partner.

Hydrad - Awaclus - PPS - SS scumteam.

[silverspawn]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

[ashersky]

Well, it's was probably a scummy hammer, regardless of Hydrad or the hammerer's alignment.

FTFY.

FTFFY.

[Teproc]

I actually think only one scum would be bussing here, at most.  It's early, no one would really expect a lynch to happen, no urgency to be on the wagon.

PPS with the fake vote due to fear of hammer is probably scummiest looking here.

One half of this post looks like it's in the right game, the other... not so much.

PPE : ash, PPS is not in this game.

[ashersky]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The line for what?  The getting rid of amazing players line?  The getting rid of players who can always spot scum!ss in a game line?

[ashersky]

I actually think only one scum would be bussing here, at most.  It's early, no one would really expect a lynch to happen, no urgency to be on the wagon.

PPS with the fake vote due to fear of hammer is probably scummiest looking here.

One half of this post looks like it's in the right game, the other... not so much.

PPE : ash, PPS is not in this game.

Oh.  That helps with my scumteam prediction, then.

[ashersky]

I would vote Hydrad. But I do not want to end the game. And seeing how ash is in the background, I would not be a bit surprised if he hammered once Hydrad is at L-1.

Oh, it was faust who said that.  And he really did vote.

So town points there.

[Teproc]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The line for what?  The getting rid of amazing players line?  The getting rid of players who can always spot scum!ss in a game line?

By that standard, WW can always spot scum!Awaclus too.

[ashersky]

I would vote Hydrad. But I do not want to end the game. And seeing how ash is in the background, I would not be a bit surprised if he hammered once Hydrad is at L-1.

Oh, it was faust who said that.  And he really did vote.

So town points there.

Assuming hydrad is scum, that is.  Scum!faust would volley that hammer my way every day of the week and twice on Sundays, given how short life is.

[ashersky]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The line for what?  The getting rid of amazing players line?  The getting rid of players who can always spot scum!ss in a game line?

By that standard, WW can always spot scum!Awaclus too.

The bolded portion was sarcasm.

[ashersky]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The lack of capitalization is odd here from ss.

Are you on phone?  Or scum?

[ashersky]

if hydrad flips town I'm policy voting ash next day until he's lynched. the line has to be drawn somewhere.

The line for what?  The getting rid of amazing players line?  The getting rid of players who can always spot scum!ss in a game line?

By that standard, WW can always spot scum!Awaclus too.

Does WW read Awaclus really well, actually?