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[Witherweaver]

I only want to claim if like half the town is onboard. But with all these pros, shouldn't we just be able to find scum? I mean, I'll help as much as I can, but I'll probably just get in the way. Oh, and explaining my vote on Hydrad:

 http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Umbrage%27s_Guide_on_How_to_Win_Scum_Games
I think links are allowed, but Hydrad seems like he's starting to do this, especially one and two. Since he is doing both one and two, I think he's just going down the list and hoping he can win this way.

Huh interesting. Thats a fair reason.

Vote: Hydrad

[Roadrunner7671]

This is the first wagon I ever made, even though it's hardly a wagon. Anyone have thoughts on it?

[Hydrad]

This is the first wagon I ever made, even though it's hardly a wagon. Anyone have thoughts on it?

I think its a good thing to do. But don't feel discouraged when I flip town. Keep trying to build cases and stuff even if your wrong sometimes.

[Hydrad]

although reading that makes a bit of sense why people think I'm so scummy sometimes. I'm just so good at the game that I play good scum as town!

[Hydrad]

Anyways RR is town I think. I don't think I've said that yet this game? But ya he feels pretty towny.

[Roadrunner7671]

This is the first wagon I ever made, even though it's hardly a wagon. Anyone have thoughts on it?

I think its a good thing to do. But don't feel discouraged when I flip town. Keep trying to build cases and stuff even if your wrong sometimes.

So you just accept your death that probably won't even happen? Seems...bad? I don't want you to close up, and I don't want you to say, 'oh, RR doesn't know any better.' I'm going to scumhunt today, and I would hope that scum would try to defend themselves. I'm going to be the new Morgrim (not).
PPE 2

[Roadrunner7671]

Anyways RR is town I think. I don't think I've said that yet this game? But ya he feels pretty towny.

White Knighting me won't work! But I'll back off for a minute and let people chip in before I clog the entire 8th page.

[Hydrad]

This is the first wagon I ever made, even though it's hardly a wagon. Anyone have thoughts on it?

I think its a good thing to do. But don't feel discouraged when I flip town. Keep trying to build cases and stuff even if your wrong sometimes.

So you just accept your death that probably won't even happen? Seems...bad? I don't want you to close up, and I don't want you to say, 'oh, RR doesn't know any better.' I'm going to scumhunt today, and I would hope that scum would try to defend themselves. I'm going to be the new Morgrim (not).
PPE 2

No I'm not worried about being killed yet. But I'm just letting you know to not feel discouraged that when I do flip and I end up being town that doesn't really mean your case was bad and that you shouldn't have done it.

[Roadrunner7671]

This is the first wagon I ever made, even though it's hardly a wagon. Anyone have thoughts on it?

I think its a good thing to do. But don't feel discouraged when I flip town. Keep trying to build cases and stuff even if your wrong sometimes.

So you just accept your death that probably won't even happen? Seems...bad? I don't want you to close up, and I don't want you to say, 'oh, RR doesn't know any better.' I'm going to scumhunt today, and I would hope that scum would try to defend themselves. I'm going to be the new Morgrim (not).
PPE 2

No I'm not worried about being killed yet. But I'm just letting you know to not feel discouraged that when I do flip and I end up being town that doesn't really mean your case was bad and that you shouldn't have done it.

If you flip town, my case was obviously bad and I shouldn't have done it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm trying to say I thought your response was scummy.
[/quote] I thought it was probably that, or maybe you didn't like the joke. How is it scummy?
[/quote]

Teproc made a legitimate point about your post, and your response played it off as a joke. I find that scummy.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would vote for Hydrad too, and I super think RR is town.

[Hydrad]

Oh man a day one wagon on me! I haven't had this for a while.

[EgorK]

Teproc says: 'If you have a PR, use it!'

I do ?

@faust : They are similar in that they have the same downsides except vigs have none of the upside (aside from hitting scum I mean, which i think vigs are less likely to than lynches).

I strongly disagree that vigs has less chance to hit then lynches. Just because confirmed townie reads should be better than average player read because they do not include scum planted reads

PPE: 2 pages

[EgorK]

I mean, problem with not getting wagon can still outweight this, but this is definately benefit

On the other hand I think I am ok with PR/nonPR claim

[Roadrunner7671]

Anyone want to say why the wagon is awful? Teproc? SS? Faust? Askersky?

[EFHW]

Anyone want to say why the wagon is awful? Teproc? SS? Faust? Askersky?

I'm not one of them, but this seems like typical Hydrad behavior to me.  I think scum!Hydrad is more reserved and cautious.

[Roadrunner7671]

Anyone want to say why the wagon is awful? Teproc? SS? Faust? Askersky?

I'm not one of them, but this seems like typical Hydrad behavior to me.  I think scum!Hydrad is more reserved and cautious.

Okay. You might be right, Hydrad is hard to read.

[EFHW]

I'm wondering about gkrieg.  He usually weighs in more, and also more thoughtfully.  His comment about Umbrage's list seemed "safe" b/c it had the article "speaking" with him.  You can feel unsupported as scum because you can't talk with your partners, and every post is a risk. I don't remember what else he has said.  I'll go back and look before voting.

[EFHW]

He has said one other thing:

I would be for the semi-mass claim.  Partially because I've never been in a game where we did it, and because I think it is a good idea.

Don't really know what to make of this one either way.

Oh, and an RVS vote for me. 

vote: EFHW because of that one time.

Here is the post I was referring to earlier:

One of the points on that list is WIFOM.  Does RR posting this link and then following it make him scum?  Or does it make him town?

I'm going with vote: gkrieg. 

[gkrieg13]

I'm wondering about gkrieg.  He usually weighs in more, and also more thoughtfully.  His comment about Umbrage's list seemed "safe" b/c it had the article "speaking" with him.  You can feel unsupported as scum because you can't talk with your partners, and every post is a risk. I don't remember what else he has said.  I'll go back and look before voting.

I've been lurking a lot this game. I just haven't gotten into it yet.  I feel like we have done some theory discussion and we are still in RVS, so I haven't been too interested.  I've also been busy IRL and on the forum doing survivor and playing league matches.  I'll get more into this tonight.

PPE

[gkrieg13]

He has said one other thing:

I would be for the semi-mass claim.  Partially because I've never been in a game where we did it, and because I think it is a good idea.

Don't really know what to make of this one either way.

Oh, and an RVS vote for me. 

vote: EFHW because of that one time.

Here is the post I was referring to earlier:

One of the points on that list is WIFOM.  Does RR posting this link and then following it make him scum?  Or does it make him town?

I'm going with vote: gkrieg.

Interestingly enough, RR has actually been following a lot of the points in that link.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.3

RR (2): EgorK, ss
ss (1): Awaclus
EFHW (3): Teproc, gkrieg, ADK
WW (1): ashersky
hydrad (3): RR, Xerxes, WW
gkrieg (1): EFHW

Not Voting (2): faust, hydrad

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

He has said one other thing:

I would be for the semi-mass claim.  Partially because I've never been in a game where we did it, and because I think it is a good idea.

Don't really know what to make of this one either way.

Oh, and an RVS vote for me. 

vote: EFHW because of that one time.

Here is the post I was referring to earlier:

One of the points on that list is WIFOM.  Does RR posting this link and then following it make him scum?  Or does it make him town?

I'm going with vote: gkrieg.

Interestingly enough, RR has actually been following a lot of the points in that link.

I hope you're joking. Do you think I would provide the link to the thing I was doing as scum? I mean, come on! Can I have a tiny bit of credit?

[Witherweaver]

It's not unreasonable to think that someone suggested you do this in your scum QT.

[Roadrunner7671]

It's not unreasonable to think that someone suggested you do this in your scum QT.

I suppose it isn't. But this uncertainty gkreig is producing is bad news.