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[faust]

Should have kepts those numbers for yourself faust ! There are definitely scumteams that wouldn't bother to calculate them and would just wing it.

I like it. Not sure how long we should commit to only lynching VTs (at least two days I guess), but I like it.

The numbers for the scumteam are different anyway.

[Teproc]

Roleblocker also gets better with your plan. I like a combination of both more as I think about it.

[Teproc]

Like, you say "use your judgment", but really by your reasoning a vig should just straight up go to claiming and we lynch one of the vigs. Anything that's good enough to justify a vig shot is good enough to justify a lynch.

In this case I don't know if the low probability of two vigs would be enough for me, but you see my point right ?

[faust]

Like, you say "use your judgment", but really by your reasoning a vig should just straight up go to claiming and we lynch one of the vigs. Anything that's good enough to justify a vig shot is good enough to justify a lynch.

In this case I don't know if the low probability of two vigs would be enough for me, but you see my point right ?

Well, the vig could also shoot WW the following night and then does not have to claim. I guess he could claim, but night killing a town PR > lynching a town PR in the unlikely case that there are two vigs. Also if there are two vigs, my plan at least doesn't out the other one.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't like organizing the vig shots because then we let scum know what's going to happen at night and can react accordingly.

[Teproc]

I don't like organizing the vig shots because then we let scum know what's going to happen at night and can react accordingly.

We don't really... I guess it guarantees that they don't use Bulletproof, but that's it.

I'm really curious how youg guys think a Vig shot is worth as much as an investigative shot. Every time a Vig shoots, that's a Cop who doesn't get to investigate in the future. THat's pretty terrible, we should arrange things so taht every one of our shots is actually useful (that's why I would want doctors to strongly consider not protecting).

[EFHW]

re: probability, remember these are 10-sided dice, not 6.

There is a problem with the plan, though.  If we have 3 or 4 roles, scum claiming towards the end could risk fake-claiming a PR.  Also, too many PRs makes them all suspect - if there are too many, then who of the claimers is lying?  Could be any of them. Say we have 6 claims, then 1, 2 or 3 could be lies and we wouldn't know how many.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, I'm here. And I got two votes for saying hi.

Organizing shots sounds like bad news, I don't really want to take part in it, but I will if we can agree on something for once. And unless WW with dayvig me for this, I'm gonna read the setup.

[EFHW]

Also say we assume only 1 scum would risk a fakeclaim.  In that case, with 4 claims we have 2 scum in 9 people, not that different from 3/13.  With 5 it's 2 scum in 8, just slightly better than 3/13. With 6 it's 2 in 7, getting better but 6 is a lot, there could just as easily be 2 scum in the 6, and then we should lynch PRs not VTs.

[Roadrunner7671]

and then we should lynch PRs not VTs.

Seems prerty awful.

[Teproc]

and then we should lynch PRs not VTs.

Seems prerty awful.

Pretty sure that's her point.

[Roadrunner7671]

and then we should lynch PRs not VTs.

Seems pretty awful.

Pretty sure that's her point.

Pretty sure it is, too. Thanks!

[EFHW]

Hi, I'm here. silver sounds towny here, not so sure about ashersky....

Two possibilities :
a) EFHW is being funny, but it's ambiguous, and ambiguity is scummy
b) EFHW is being serious, which means she's already fully into this game, probably because she's been discussing it with her scumbuddies

vote: EFHW

We're out of RVS now. You're welcome.

Quoi?  I'm funny! Really. I mean it, seriously.

vote: EFHW

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think this will be an easy win for town, there are like eight pros in the setup. It's likely that a few of them are mafia, but still, this is a power game.
PPE

[faust]

I'm really curious how youg guys think a Vig shot is worth as much as an investigative shot. Every time a Vig shoots, that's a Cop who doesn't get to investigate in the future. THat's pretty terrible, we should arrange things so taht every one of our shots is actually useful (that's why I would want doctors to strongly consider not protecting).

Well, I think a Cop only gets to use shots until he has a guilty result, then he claims and probably dies. And what do you do if there are no investigative roles? Then we just sit around idly while our PRs die one by one.

[faust]

re: probability, remember these are 10-sided dice, not 6.

There is a problem with the plan, though.  If we have 3 or 4 roles, scum claiming towards the end could risk fake-claiming a PR.  Also, too many PRs makes them all suspect - if there are too many, then who of the claimers is lying?  Could be any of them. Say we have 6 claims, then 1, 2 or 3 could be lies and we wouldn't know how many.

In some scenarios it might be beneficial to continue on with a full claim.

[silverspawn]

hmmmm

one reason against partial mass claiming is that WW already claimed vig. If we partial claim, we want the weak PRs to be hidden so that scum can't easily kill the strong ones.

[silverspawn]

I'm tentatively against doing it.

[EFHW]

re: probability, remember these are 10-sided dice, not 6.

There is a problem with the plan, though.  If we have 3 or 4 roles, scum claiming towards the end could risk fake-claiming a PR.  Also, too many PRs makes them all suspect - if there are too many, then who of the claimers is lying?  Could be any of them. Say we have 6 claims, then 1, 2 or 3 could be lies and we wouldn't know how many.

In some scenarios it might be beneficial to continue on with a full claim.

Well, that could be interesting given that certain combinations of roles are not possible. We might be able to get down to 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 if there are mutually contradictory claims.  But there are a lot of problems with full mass claims Day 1, as I know you are aware.  This also makes your plan essentially a proposal for full mass claim because PR/no PR is not likely to be very informative.

[gkrieg13]

I would be for the semi-mass claim.  Partially because I've never been in a game where we did it, and because I think it is a good idea.

[Teproc]

I'm really curious how youg guys think a Vig shot is worth as much as an investigative shot. Every time a Vig shoots, that's a Cop who doesn't get to investigate in the future. THat's pretty terrible, we should arrange things so taht every one of our shots is actually useful (that's why I would want doctors to strongly consider not protecting).

Well, I think a Cop only gets to use shots until he has a guilty result, then he claims and probably dies. And what do you do if there are no investigative roles? Then we just sit around idly while our PRs die one by one.

That's actually a great outcome. Scum doesn't know if there are any investigative PRs, so they use their shots while we don't. Sure we do nothing night 1, but we're at a massive advantage for the next nights.

Re-evaluating every day is part of what I'm saying, so yeah at a certain point if we're not getting investigative results at all we can reconsider.

Also if we do the semi-mass claim, I do think Roleblocker and JK should use their shots too. just not Vigs and Bodyguards, and Doctors can use them or not but shouldn't default to using them.

[faust]

Well, to be clear, I don't think vigs should shoot in general, but if there is another vig out there, he might consider shooting WW.

[faust]

re: probability, remember these are 10-sided dice, not 6.

There is a problem with the plan, though.  If we have 3 or 4 roles, scum claiming towards the end could risk fake-claiming a PR.  Also, too many PRs makes them all suspect - if there are too many, then who of the claimers is lying?  Could be any of them. Say we have 6 claims, then 1, 2 or 3 could be lies and we wouldn't know how many.

In some scenarios it might be beneficial to continue on with a full claim.

Well, that could be interesting given that certain combinations of roles are not possible. We might be able to get down to 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 if there are mutually contradictory claims.  But there are a lot of problems with full mass claims Day 1, as I know you are aware.  This also makes your plan essentially a proposal for full mass claim because PR/no PR is not likely to be very informative.

Well, it really depends. If we get 5 or 7 PR claims, I really wouldn't do the mass claim, and even with 6 I'm not sure.

We should also note that WW being a vig makes 5 PRs much more unlikely.

[faust]

hmmmm

one reason against partial mass claiming is that WW already claimed vig. If we partial claim, we want the weak PRs to be hidden so that scum can't easily kill the strong ones.

I am not sure what you're saying here.

[silverspawn]

hmmmm

one reason against partial mass claiming is that WW already claimed vig. If we partial claim, we want the weak PRs to be hidden so that scum can't easily kill the strong ones.

I am not sure what you're saying here.

well, the drawback of partial massclaiming is that scum can more easily kill PRs, right? Vig is a pretty weak PR, so if we do the partial massclaim now, there will be fewer unknown PRs, and the strong ones will be among them. If scum starts killing those, rip Cop, rip uh whatever other strong PRs there are.