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[Kirian]

Waiting on votes from faust, Arch, ADK.

[EgorK]

Well, if Arch is fascist, then Tables is Hitler, that's the only plausible scenario it seems. Considering you are likely to put him up as chancellor - we likely lost already

[faust]

Sorry, I sent Kirian a message stating that I would vote yes on this government before the nomination, but it seems he needed a vote afterwards.

[A Drowned Kernel]

At work will vote tonight

[Kirian]

Time out for a moment!  The moderator has made a mistake.  Mea culpa.

Archetype voted Yes in the previous round, not No.  This may or may not change your feelings about the current vote.

In order to make sure everything is solid, please resend any votes you have sent for Round 10.

My apologies for the confusion.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Feeling inspired to vote in the thread, arch?

[A Drowned Kernel]

By vote I mean post.

[gkrieg13]

By vote I mean post.

voting would be fine as well

[gkrieg13]

Feeling inspired to vote in the thread, arch?

When I read this I immediately thought what this situation would look like if we were playing IRL at a table.  Each time around, there would be someone who doesn't say anything.  Then, people would start talking about that person, about their alignment and what it means that they aren't saying anything.  Then you ask him this question.  How does he respond?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Feeling inspired to vote in the thread, arch?

When I read this I immediately thought what this situation would look like if we were playing IRL at a table.  Each time around, there would be someone who doesn't say anything.  Then, people would start talking about that person, about their alignment and what it means that they aren't saying anything.  Then you ask him this question.  How does he respond?

That's up to him.

[Archetype]

Well, it seems like basically everyone believes that Tables is good here which would make me scum. It makes it very difficult to want to stay active when a) my opinions are likely to get brushed aside and b) the only person who would choose me in their government is EgorK


I've also been very busy IRL and so haven't been able to spend as much time on the forums in general. I've mentioned to Kirian that I would be fine being replaced before, but got no response...

Tables is scum and am guessing Faust and/or ADK is too since another FFF draw is so unlikely. Ghost's votes also seem suspicious.

[faust]

Tables is scum and am guessing Faust and/or ADK is too since another FFF draw is so unlikely. Ghost's votes also seem suspicious.

Oh, at least do your homework. If we were to believe your claim, then at the time I drew FFF there were 5 cards left, one of which was liberal. The chance to draw FFF is 40%.

[EgorK]

Well, ok. That makes Tables being Hitler less likely. Good

[Kirian]

Arch, ADK and EgorK vote no; gkrieg13 is now President.

Sending cards shortly, but then I'm off to bed, so I likely won't post until after 10:00 PST (13:00 forum time).  Apologies for tomorrow's delay.

[Kirian]

gkrieg13 discards a card; by CO, Tables reveals a Fascist card.

Gkrieg, as President, you must execute someone.

[Hydrad]

So what happened...

[Tables]

Got passed FF. Not sure what that means. Maybe Gkrieg is fascist and will just shoot a liberal, maybe he's a liberal and got a bad draw, heck maybe he thinks he knows who Hitler is and wants to gun for him.

Most likely it's the first, but we'll see what Gkrieg has to say I guess.

[EgorK]

Got passed FF. Not sure what that means. Maybe Gkrieg is fascist and will just shoot a liberal, maybe he's a liberal and got a bad draw, heck maybe he thinks he knows who Hitler is and wants to gun for him.

Most likely it's the first, but we'll see what Gkrieg has to say I guess.

Or, you know, may be you are fascist

[gkrieg13]

It wasn't anything crazy.  I just drew FFF and had no choice in what I passed.  Unfortunately this doesn't solve the EgorK/Tables problem like I hoped it would.

I think Tables reaction is more on the liberal side though.  I think a fascist would've been more likely to claim I was fascist, whereas a liberal would look to give me the benefit of the doubt?  I'll have to think about it more.  Right now I think I don't want to shoot Tables, because I don't have a strong enough read on him and he can't be hitler.

[ghostofmars]

Two things:
1) ADK, why did you vote against this government?

2) Regarding who to shoot. From your statements so far, I suppose you consider one of the following Archetype/EgorK/me. I don't think there is a reason to shoot EgorK. If he is fascist, the Archetype is, too, but it is possible that only Archetype is fascist and EgorK is not. Imho, it is also more likely that Archetype is Hitler than EgorK, unless EgorK is playing a extreme gambit.
Now to decide between me and Archetype, I think the only possibility you should consider is that what would happen if one of us is liberal. If both of us are liberal, we lose the game. If both of us are fascist, either of us is a good kill. However, I'd argue that if Archetype is liberal, we've lost the game anyway. He is so inactive and nobody except EgorK trusts him. If you kill me, you effectively silence the only active player that plays 'devil's advocate'.

I think Tables reaction is more on the liberal side though.  I think a fascist would've been more likely to claim I was fascist, whereas a liberal would look to give me the benefit of the doubt?  I'll have to think about it more.  Right now I think I don't want to shoot Tables, because I don't have a strong enough read on him and he can't be hitler.

This argument assumes that you are liberal, of which we are a bit less certain, now.

These are the players responsible for a fascist law so far.
Archetype (chance for FFF 25%, chance for FFL 50%)
Tables/EgorK (at least one is definitely fascist)
faust (chance for FFF 100%/40%/10%, chance for FFL 0%/60%/60%)*
gkrieg (chance for FFF 25%, chance for FFL 51%)

*depending whether 0/1/2 liberal laws were left in the deck. 0 means that Archetype of Hydrad lied, 2 means that ADK or Tables lied, 1 means that either two players lied or all told the truth.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I submitted my vote PM with a typo, I meant to vote yes. But I'm very worried about the number of people who voted yes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

But I suppose didn't just shoot someone means that's he's either Hitler or liberal, since killing a liberal here means that the fascists pretty much just straight up win, right?

[Hydrad]

I submitted my vote PM with a typo, I meant to vote yes. But I'm very worried about the number of people who voted yes.

Well it was the third one. So unless people wanted to flip a card up it was pretty good one to vote yes for even if you didn't like it. Unless you thought tables was hurler then voting no makes a bunch of sense. If one was fascist then it's kinda a toss up I guess. Actually it's really only if gkrieg was fascist I think. As if tables was he would of jut been shot if it wasn't FF

[faust]

I submitted my vote PM with a typo, I meant to vote yes. But I'm very worried about the number of people who voted yes.

It was the last possible government... voting no would be unwise, no? Unless you have very serious doubts.

PPE: ninja'd

[faust]

The chance of drawing FFF here are around 30%. gkrieg is definitely much more suspicious now. In fact, it will be interesting to see which people voted down Grujah/Tables but voted up gkrieg/Tables. That was Hydrad (and ADK, well if you consider his vote here as "yes").

So Hydrad, please explain your reasoning for voting the way you did.