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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #450 on: February 15, 2016, 02:04:17 pm »

I've poked ADK for a response.  All other votes are in.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #451 on: February 15, 2016, 04:00:58 pm »

The government fails.

Yes: Grujah, ghostofmars
No:  Everyone else

faust is noe the Presidential candidate.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #452 on: February 15, 2016, 04:03:24 pm »

Current Game State

Round 8

Turn Order, current President or candidate in bold, current Chancellor or candidate in italic:

gkrieg13
Archetype
Tables
A Drowned Kernel
ghostofmars
Hydrad
Grujah
faust
EgorK

Liberal Policies enacted: 2
Fascist Policies enacted: 2
Next Executive Power: Special Election
Recent Failed Governments: 1

Deck: 5 cards
Discard: 8 cards

Deck and discard contain (total): 9 Fascist, 4 Liberal

Fate of the World:  Unknown

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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #453 on: February 15, 2016, 04:16:18 pm »

I feel a little bit better about my lazy "no" vote now.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #454 on: February 15, 2016, 04:21:53 pm »

I would vote yes on Faust/ADK
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #455 on: February 16, 2016, 03:48:47 am »

I feel a little bit better about my lazy "no" vote now.
Unfortunately that lot of people disliked this government means that faust is likely fascist. If you believe that the rest of the chain (gkrieg, Hydrad, and you) are liberal then only one of faust/Grujah can be liberal (from your perspective). The fascists should stop an all-liberal chain, but what will happen (my prediction) is that faust will be approved by 6-7 people and then claim FFF arguing that so little liberal policies are left in the deck.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #456 on: February 16, 2016, 05:05:52 am »

That actually does make a lot sense.It also happened two turns ago, on ghost/Grujah, and if one of the people in the chain is fasicst, that means you are liberal (most likely), and that me/you was also an liberal team. Those are only two governments shot down that hard.

Now, it might be harder for somebody else to agree as I know I am liberal and was on both of those.

Also, as I said before i believe, if Hitler is on that chain he completely hit the jackpot.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #457 on: February 16, 2016, 06:38:53 am »

Well, I think I made it clear from the beginning that is is only reasonable to do this chain as long as no third fascist policy is enacted. Afterwards we have to do things differently.

Nominate: ADK
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #458 on: February 16, 2016, 06:40:00 am »

Note that if you vote against this government, you effectively vote for Egor as president.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #459 on: February 16, 2016, 06:54:54 am »

I feel a little bit better about my lazy "no" vote now.
Unfortunately that lot of people disliked this government means that faust is likely fascist. If you believe that the rest of the chain (gkrieg, Hydrad, and you) are liberal then only one of faust/Grujah can be liberal (from your perspective). The fascists should stop an all-liberal chain, but what will happen (my prediction) is that faust will be approved by 6-7 people and then claim FFF arguing that so little liberal policies are left in the deck.

This logic assumes all fascists are voting primarily to get scum onto missions and never to blend in. Guess what? Scum want to blend in, and sometimes that means voting no to scum missions (especially if they think they'll fail) and sometimes voting yes to missions that are all liberal. On top of that, you assume it's faust and not ADK who is likely scum (especially as faust had made it clear that he would be nominating ADK)? Why? This post is making me extremely suspicious right now.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #460 on: February 16, 2016, 07:06:13 am »

Hmm.. yeah, and Arch and EgorK both voted no on ADK faust, too..
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #461 on: February 16, 2016, 08:40:15 am »

Am I correct in thinking that me drawing FLL would basically confirm Arch as scum?
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #462 on: February 16, 2016, 12:34:42 pm »

Am I correct in thinking that me drawing FLL would basically confirm Arch as scum?

How? Arch claimed FFF, dunno how drawing excess L makes him look guilty, shouldn't it make something who claimed extra Ls guilty? (like ADK or Tables)
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #463 on: February 16, 2016, 12:36:29 pm »

Note that if you vote against this government, you effectively vote for Egor as president.

If we vote no on that as well, who gets presidential power? Egor or nobody?
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #464 on: February 16, 2016, 12:36:43 pm »

In the hypothetical situation, of course.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #465 on: February 16, 2016, 12:38:26 pm »

Also Egor and especially Arch are awfully quiet lately, which doesn't really shed good light on them, esp with all eyes on them..
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #466 on: February 16, 2016, 12:39:40 pm »

Note that if you vote against this government, you effectively vote for Egor as president.

If we vote no on that as well, who gets presidential power? Egor or nobody?

If a third government fails and the top card is Fascist, no one gets the special election power. However, the other part (electing Chancellor Hitler ends the game) does go into effect.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #467 on: February 16, 2016, 01:31:56 pm »

Am I correct in thinking that me drawing FLL would basically confirm Arch as scum?

How? Arch claimed FFF, dunno how drawing excess L makes him look guilty, shouldn't it make something who claimed extra Ls guilty? (like ADK or Tables)

Grujah is correct. If we have at least 7 claimed L draws things start to get interesting as we know at least one of them was a lie. Right now I think we have... (bolding played card each time)

Arch claimed FFF
I claimed FFL
ADK claimed LLL
Hydrad claimed FFL

So that means if everyone's claimes are correct, there is only 1 more L in the deck. However it's quite possible Arch lied about his draw and drew FFL - although there's still a reasonable chance he drew FFF anyway (especially if everyone else is telling the truth). However if you draw FLL then well that tells me personally that ADK is scum. Tells other people slightly less certain information of course, but it actually confirms Arch's draw (well almost certainly does anyway).
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #468 on: February 16, 2016, 02:03:40 pm »

This logic assumes all fascists are voting primarily to get scum onto missions and never to blend in. Guess what? Scum want to blend in, and sometimes that means voting no to scum missions (especially if they think they'll fail) and sometimes voting yes to missions that are all liberal. On top of that, you assume it's faust and not ADK who is likely scum (especially as faust had made it clear that he would be nominating ADK)? Why? This post is making me extremely suspicious right now.
As a fascist, you want to avoid raising suspicion, but we are also in a critical phase of the game. If Faust is liberal, there is a decent chance that we will have a third liberal law, so it seems like a huge gambit to take in this situation.

I still consider it a possibility that ADK is fascist, but I think the fascist team is Archetype + either you and Faust or EgorK and ADK. Hitler is then one of gkrieg and Hydrad.

Am I correct in thinking that me drawing FLL would basically confirm Arch as scum?
Arch and Hydrad might have lied and discarded a liberal, which would make it less likely to draw one.

Tables and ADK might have lied and had less liberal cards, so that it's more likely to draw a liberal.

Hence, if you claim FFF it's more likely that you, Arch, or Hydrad is fascist. If you claim FLL it's more likely that Tables or is ADK fascist.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #469 on: February 16, 2016, 03:56:09 pm »

Am I correct in thinking that me drawing FLL would basically confirm Arch as scum?

How? Arch claimed FFF, dunno how drawing excess L makes him look guilty, shouldn't it make something who claimed extra Ls guilty? (like ADK or Tables)

Right... I got confused. Sorry about that.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #470 on: February 18, 2016, 02:54:35 pm »

This game needs some deadlines.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #471 on: February 18, 2016, 03:42:53 pm »

This game needs some deadlines.

Yeah, but it's effectively impossible to assign a "default" vote to someone.  If anyone has suggestions for making a deadline work in a future game, feel free to discuss.

Missing votes from Arch, ADK, and Egor.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #472 on: February 18, 2016, 05:11:08 pm »

This game needs some deadlines.

Yeah, but it's effectively impossible to assign a "default" vote to someone.  If anyone has suggestions for making a deadline work in a future game, feel free to discuss.

Missing votes from Arch, ADK, and Egor.

People who miss multiple deadline get killed.
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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #473 on: February 18, 2016, 05:29:16 pm »

This game needs some deadlines.

Yeah, but it's effectively impossible to assign a "default" vote to someone.  If anyone has suggestions for making a deadline work in a future game, feel free to discuss.

Missing votes from Arch, ADK, and Egor.

People who miss multiple deadline get killed.

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Re: Secret Hitler I [Round 7]
« Reply #474 on: February 19, 2016, 10:22:48 pm »

Sorry, I know I'm being terrible, I just keep forgetting about this game.

Vote yes, me and faust are liberals, this is a good government.
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