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[Kirian]

gkrieg13 reveals a Liberal card.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hooray!

[Hydrad]

yay we did it!

I drew FFL so that was perfect.

[gkrieg13]

So we shuffle now?  So we actually have the potential to get liberals again?

[Grujah]

So, I am pretty much going to nominate either ADK or faust. Any thoughs?

[Grujah]

Egor, ghost, why nein?

[Kirian]

So we shuffle now?  So we actually have the potential to get liberals again?

There are still five cards in the deck, so no shuffling yet, sorry.

[gkrieg13]

So we shuffle now?  So we actually have the potential to get liberals again?

There are still five cards in the deck, so no shuffling yet, sorry.

I guess I could've looked on the first page. Thanks for being an active moderator!

[Kirian]

So we shuffle now?  So we actually have the potential to get liberals again?

There are still five cards in the deck, so no shuffling yet, sorry.

I guess I could've looked on the first page. Thanks for being an active moderator!

To be fair, at the time I hadn't yet had the chance to edit that post.

[faust]

So, I am pretty much going to nominate either ADK or faust. Any thoughs?

Well, I think as long as we have only two fascist laws enacted, I prefer to be president myself. I think I would nominate ADK. We can then install a nice chain of governments going faust/ADK -> gkrieg/Hydrad -> ADK/faust -> Hydrad/gkrieg. Things will get more difficult once a third fascist law is enacted.

[ghostofmars]

Egor, ghost, why nein?

There is still at least one undetected fascist out there and I had a better feeling about you than Hydrad.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So, I am pretty much going to nominate either ADK or faust. Any thoughs?

Well, I think as long as we have only two fascist laws enacted, I prefer to be president myself. I think I would nominate ADK. We can then install a nice chain of governments going faust/ADK -> gkrieg/Hydrad -> ADK/faust -> Hydrad/gkrieg. Things will get more difficult once a third fascist law is enacted.

I agree with this.

[Tables]

Yes, that sounds like a fairly solid plan to me. I still need to do a little more thinking about the votes and this result, but I think we have a strategy.

[ghostofmars]

yay we did it!

I drew FFL so that was perfect.

So Hydrad is now the best liberal read we have. There are only two possibilities left where he is fascist. Either he drew FLL and knew that liberal gkrieg would enact L or he is Hitler. Because we already have very little L laws left it is not very likely that he drew FLL, so that is not my primary concern. We don't have to worry about him being Hitler before the third fascist law is enacted.

I also have a similar read on gkrieg now. I think a non-Hitler fascist would have sacrificed himself to get the third fascist law.

So together with ADK who has a relatively liberal read, too, I think we found three liberals/Hitler. Furthermore, we know that one of Tables/EgorK is liberal. Hence, only if one of the three is Hitler, Grujah or Faust can be liberal.

[Grujah]

Furthermore, we know that one of Tables/EgorK is liberal.

I am not 100% convinced of this, in my mind there is chance that Tables is Hitler. Tho, it is more likely that one of faust/ADK/gkrieg/Hydrad is, and if we give complete faith in the chain it might backfire. It is fine for now until we get 3rd fascist, that's for sure.

[gkrieg13]

I support the plan until we get a third fascist. Then I guess we can figure out who we all trust. It's weird to me that everyone seems to support the plan in progress though

[Tables]

I support the plan until we get a third fascist. Then I guess we can figure out who we all trust. It's weird to me that everyone seems to support the plan in progress though

Eh, it doesn't seem that weird to me. Imagine if Arch just suddenly came bursting out saying it was a bad plan, faust is probably a hidden fascist, this will just lead to a fail before long - or really if anyone did anything similar. It'd look super scummy. Fascists can't really argue against the plan for that reason. On the other hand, there's a high chance an FFF draw will come up sooner or later - or if there does happen to be a hidden fascist somewhere they can pass FF when they have the oppertunity and not really look THAT bad because of the current odds - and as soon as that hits, Hitler becomes the thing we're interested in avoiding.

Also I kinda just realised something. There's only 6 liberal policies in the deck in total, right? And we need 5 of them played to win. If our next card play is an L, then the odds are gonna be really against us next time the deck shuffles - there'll be 3 L and 9 F left in the deck.

[EgorK]

Fascists can't really argue against the plan for that reason.

Good to know your reasoning. Or this is WIFOM, who knows?

[ghostofmars]

I support the plan until we get a third fascist. Then I guess we can figure out who we all trust. It's weird to me that everyone seems to support the plan in progress though

It won't matter much for you because you mistakenly label me as fascist, but I oppose the plan. At least one of Grujah/Faust is fascist and it is impossible that all four of you are liberal. There are so little liberal policies left that if we elect a fascist president a fascist law will be enacted. Unfortunately we have to elect a president, because the small amount of liberal policies in the deck means it is also unlikely that rejecting all governments will result in a liberal law.

[Grujah]

Nominate: ADK

Cuz faust is next, I'd rather have ADK.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Probably going to vote no on this, but I will do a reread before I vote, this might be an important one.

[Grujah]

Some info, that I think is valid goes in my favor:

ADK/faust/gkrieg/Hydrad all being L while probable at the moment, is a bit "too convinent" and not 100% sure. Also that chain can still continue even with me elected.
There needs to be at least 1 more L aside from those anyway
I cannot speak on your subjective read on me, so I can only ask you and anybody else to at least consider my voting record which I believe was pretty solid,
Also you get more info on me, and I am I think the only person who hasn't been investigated or on a government, so I the most unknown of all the players


It's not the end of the world if this doesn't pass, but I think it is in interest of liberals that it does

[gkrieg13]

I think I'd rather just have Faust as president for now, considering we need liberal policies to pass and he and ADK have a history of doing just that. You are on the list of people I trust, and I guess Faust could just pick me or Hydrad as his chancellor. I'll think about it.

[Grujah]

Anything happening?

[Kirian]

I have six votes so far.

Missing ADK, Arch, and Egor.