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[werothegreat]

Guys, it's probably just a ranking list of upvote potential per reference on this site.  Expect Scout and Moat to be pretty high.

Are you saying other people are going to put Scout high?

I'm putting it dead last. I can't think of any other card being worse than Scout. Sorry.

I've actually got Adventurer just under Scout, which is just under Feast, which is just under Haven.

[jsh357]

I have Transmute at dead last. I consider its effect better than Scout's or Adventurer's, but needing the Potion to get there makes it so much worse.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yay! Some good players (JSH and Swearerthegreat) 'agree' with me!

[-Stef-]

So much hate for scout here that I just had to open Chapel/Scout.
And what a Boss Scout it was, pairing all my estates with Chapel on t3. So on t4 I had all my coppers available to buy that other rock star called Mine.

[Roadrunner7671]

So much hate for scout here that I just had to open Chapel/Scout.
And what a Boss Scout it was, pairing all my estates with Chapel on t3. So on t4 I had all my coppers available to buy that other rock star called Mine.

And Scout was awesome for you!

[schadd]

So much hate for scout here that I just had to open Chapel/Scout.
And what a Boss Scout it was, pairing all my estates with Chapel on t3. So on t4 I had all my coppers available to buy that other rock star called Mine.

i can picture the headlines already

[LibraryAdventurer]

Guys, it's probably just a ranking list of upvote potential per reference on this site.  Expect Scout and Moat to be pretty high.

Are you saying other people are going to put Scout high?

I'm putting it dead last. I can't think of any other card being worse than Scout. Sorry.

I've actually got Adventurer just under Scout, which is just under Feast, which is just under Haven.

haven? Haven's a great card.

[Titandrake]

I wouldn't say great, but Haven is definitely better than Feast, Scout, and Adventurer.

[Roadrunner7671]

I wouldn't say great, but Haven is definitely better than Feast, Scout, and Adventurer.

Opinion alert! I do think Haven is better than Feast though.

[Beyond Awesome]

I have Transmute at dead last. I consider its effect better than Scout's or Adventurer's, but needing the Potion to get there makes it so much worse.

Transmute is not worse than Adventurer

[Aleimon Thimble]

I have Transmute at dead last. I consider its effect better than Scout's or Adventurer's, but needing the Potion to get there makes it so much worse.

Transmute is not worse than Adventurer

They both suffer incredibly from opportunity cost. Transmute is almost never worth a Potion buy by itself, and Adventurer is almost always inferior to Gold.

I'd say they're pretty similar in (lack of) usefulness.

So much hate for scout here that I just had to open Chapel/Scout.
And what a Boss Scout it was, pairing all my estates with Chapel on t3. So on t4 I had all my coppers available to buy that other rock star called Mine.

All cards can be useful in some cases. If there were a card that was universally useless, Donald X would not have created it. And you're a very strong player, meaning (among other things) that you're good in finding niche uses for relatively weak cards. I don't think this proves that Scout is somehow not worthy of a place in the bottom 10.

[Awaclus]

Adventurer is better than Scout. Sure, it's worse than Moat and costs $6, but sometimes you just desperately need any draw you can possibly get to make your engine working (or the more likely scenario is that there already was some other better draw, but the pile was emptied and you still don't have enough draw).

[werothegreat]

Adventurer is better than Scout. Sure, it's worse than Moat and costs $6, but sometimes you just desperately need any draw you can possibly get to make your engine working (or the more likely scenario is that there already was some other better draw, but the pile was emptied and you still don't have enough draw).

But that's just it - Adventurer doesn't really give engine draw, unless you're doing something with Vault or Bank or Storyteller, and with any of those cards, you'd probably rather just have Gold.  Or a Treasure Trove.

[jsh357]

Adventurer is better than Transmute because it's a mediocre helper for Horn of Plenty decks in which you are discarding Horns to get through the deck. Transmute is at its best when trashing Ruins for Duchies is a good thing (very rare) and occasionally in games with Vineyard and Familiar in which two piles are already empty and you need to buy an action that costs less than 3P. Also, you do not need to spend a turn buying a Potion for Adventurer, so it inherently has less opportunity cost than Transmute. As a terminal, it also tends to do more for you, though we're separating trash from garbage here.

Edit: Also, Adventurer is not terrible in Procession games sometimes, but you don't specifically go out of your way to get them; they just kind of end up in the deck so there wasn't much of a lost cause. Transmute can't do that.

[assemble_me]

Adventurer also gets much better in Colony games, especially with some trashing. But on the other hand, you'd still rather play something different than Adventurer-BM on a Colony board

[theright555J]

I like Adventurer in Vineyards games without superb draw since it helps you win the Vineyards split.  Also like jsh's example of HoP.

Basically if having a specific treasure card in hand and playing it more consistently than your opponent is a big deal, and the draw is not consistent enough to get you there quickly, Adventurer can make the difference. Admittedly really niche.  And of course there was no thing such as Potion or HoP available to the general public when base Dominion was released...

[ehunt]

Adventurer also gets much better in Colony games, especially with some trashing. But on the other hand, you'd still rather play something different then Adventurer-BM on a Colony board

on a colony + nothing useful board, adventurer is better than probably your second gold and almost certainly better than your third. these are rare, but still more likely than the "scout can be good" or "transmute can be good" boards.

[Awaclus]

But that's just it - Adventurer doesn't really give engine draw, unless you're doing something with Vault or Bank or Storyteller, and with any of those cards, you'd probably rather just have Gold.  Or a Treasure Trove.

It does give engine draw. It takes cards from your deck and puts them into your hand. Sure, the cards you get aren't super useful, but that means your Highways will draw you useful cards that much more often.

[Tables]

I have a friend who told me he thinks Haven is awful. He proceeded to not buy them with $2's while I did, with both of us having otherwise similar strategies. I destroyed him. He now thinks Haven can be not awful occasionally, so I guess I made progress?

[Awaclus]

Oh yeah, Haven is definitely good. Usually it just makes a junk card miss the reshuffle; that's already worth buying over nothing in situations where you don't want any other $2s or $3s. It can also be more useful than that if there's a terminal collision or if you want to connect certain cards or just to get a mini-Tactician effect.

[Chris is me]

I think people tend to think Haven is awful because the first time they see it, they think "oh, a cantrip for $2, why not?", pick up a bunch of them, and now they have a reduced hand size and they're all sad.

Haven's second cousin Gear, despite being terminal, is often a much better choice.

[schadd]

while we're just fuckin slamming into these rankings lets go ahead and imagine: how would you rank gold and silver?
for me: silver is #17 in the threes (between plan and guide)
gold is #14 in the sixplusses (between hunting grounds and peddler)

[Awaclus]

Haven's second cousin Gear, despite being terminal, is often a much better choice.

Gear is not something you can just pick up on a dead turn unless you have the terminal space for it. It's also usually not in the kingdom.

[terminalCopper]

while we're just fuckin slamming into these rankings lets go ahead and imagine: how would you rank gold and silver?
for me: silver is #17 in the threes (between plan and guide)
gold is #14 in the sixplusses (between hunting grounds and peddler)

I'm not sure about Gold, but Silver would be No.1 without any doubt. Obviously, it is a powerhouse on money boards; but also, on zany engine or sloggy boards, getting those 5$ cards is the crucial key to winning. And most of the times, silver is part of the best way to get them.
 None of us is a big silver fan, but this is because it's always there. If it wasn't, we would miss it like hell in many games, and a player who never gets Silver would have a tough time against Lord Bottington on a regular basis. I wouldn't say the same about, e.g., masquerade.

[Witherweaver]

while we're just fuckin slamming into these rankings lets go ahead and imagine: how would you rank gold and silver?
for me: silver is #17 in the threes (between plan and guide)
gold is #14 in the sixplusses (between hunting grounds and peddler)

I'm not sure about Gold, but Silver would be No.1 without any doubt. Obviously, it is a powerhouse on money boards; but also, on zany engine or sloggy boards, getting those 5$ cards is the crucial key to winning. And most of the times, silver is part of the best way to get them.
 None of us is a big silver fan, but this is because it's always there. If it wasn't, we would miss it like hell in many games, and a player who never gets Silver would have a tough time against Lord Bottington on a regular basis. I wouldn't say the same about, e.g., masquerade.

Without Silver, Bureaucrat wouldn't be the most powerful card in Dominion.