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[werothegreat]

Artist Guild

- Victory

Worth 1 per Patron card in your deck.

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Setup: Add an extra non-Victory Kingdom card pile costing or more to the Supply.  Cards from this pile are Patron cards.

[Roadrunner7671]

This looks too broken. If the card is Worker's Village, Mining Village, or something that it is useful to have a lot of, you could get 4 patrons and 5 Mining Villages, and you'd have 20 VP!

[Awaclus]

This looks too broken. If the card is Worker's Village, Mining Village, or something that it is useful to have a lot of, you could get 4 patrons and 5 Mining Villages, and you'd have 20 VP!

Well, 20 VP for 4 junk cards in your deck is strong, but not unreasonable for an alt-VP card (it's still less than you'd get from Provinces). I think the issue is that losing important splits 4-6 can be difficult to overcome just because you need those cards in your deck; this card makes it significantly more difficult.

[Jack Rudd]

The best possible Patron card is probably Ironworks, for the usual reason that Ironworks-altVP rushes are good.

[Wrclass]

Reminds me of a card I made long ago:

Fields $5
Victory
Worth 1 VP for each crop card in your deck.
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Setup: Add an extra kingdom card costing $4 or $5 to the supply. Cards from this pile are harvest cards.

How does this compare to Artist's Guild?

[Roadrunner7671]

Reminds me of a card I made long ago:

Fields $5
Victory
Worth 1 VP for each crop card in your deck.
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Setup: Add an extra kingdom card costing $4 or $5 to the supply. Cards from this pile are harvest cards.

How does this compare to Artist's Guild?

Personally, I think it's slightly better, as it is more expensive and the crop card can be more expensive.

[eHalcyon]

Reminds me of a card I made long ago:

Fields $5
Victory
Worth 1 VP for each crop card in your deck.
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Setup: Add an extra kingdom card costing $4 or $5 to the supply. Cards from this pile are harvest cards.

How does this compare to Artist's Guild?

Fields is always worth 0 VP as worded.

[GeeJo]

For a lark.

[Seprix]

Artist's Guild is way too strong for it's cost right now. It can easily be worth more than a Duchy at it's price, which is simply building your engine. It needs to cost $ I think.

[werothegreat]

Artist's Guild is way too strong for it's cost right now. It can easily be worth more than a Duchy at it's price, which is simply building your engine. It needs to cost $ I think.

I was wondering about the cost.  But with Duke, you also have the 3 of Duchy along with it.  You don't have that with this card.

[Ghacob]

Artist's Guild is way too strong for it's cost right now. It can easily be worth more than a Duchy at it's price, which is simply building your engine. It needs to cost $ I think.

I was wondering about the cost.  But with Duke, you also have the 3 of Duchy along with it.  You don't have that with this card.

Say it's any Village, or a Smithy, or a Throne Room, whatever, you want the card anyway. Then, when you're looking for greening you see that you could get a 3 for , but instead you could get a ~5 card for

[LibraryAdventurer]

I think you need a specific rule here about how you choose the Patron card to add to the kingdom (including whether it costs $4 or $5) because what the Patron card is makes a huge difference in how strong this card is and people choose their kingdoms differently.
At the same time, it could be interesting to have an incentive to make a deck that plays four or five Moneylenders or something like that.

[Awaclus]

Say it's any Village, or a Smithy, or a Throne Room, whatever, you want the card anyway. Then, when you're looking for greening you see that you could get a 3 for , but instead you could get a ~5 card for

That happens with Gardens, Silk Roads and Feodum already. It's not a problem. The problem is that when you're looking for greening, you see that you could get a 3VP for $5, but instead you could get a 4VP for $4 while your opponent can get 6VP for $4, simply because he bought more copies of the card that you both wanted to get anyway.

[Ghacob]

Say it's any Village, or a Smithy, or a Throne Room, whatever, you want the card anyway. Then, when you're looking for greening you see that you could get a 3 for , but instead you could get a ~5 card for

That happens with Gardens, Silk Roads and Feodum already. It's not a problem. The problem is that when you're looking for greening, you see that you could get a 3VP for $5, but instead you could get a 4VP for $4 while your opponent can get 6VP for $4, simply because he bought more copies of the card that you both wanted to get anyway.

I'm glad that we're in agreement?

[GeeJo]

Since a lot of the concern here is over how the card can be overpowered if a strong Patron card is selected, why not just make this a paired set of new Kingdom cards (Artist's Guild/Patron) that are always added to the Supply together? Then tailor the effect of the Patron card so that you might want a few but not loads. That way, accumulating them is an actual cost. Something like a Cellar effect with a boost for discarding Victory cards would be synergistic but not overpowering, perhaps. A set pair of cards with both in the Supply is a novel feature in itself, so they don't actually need to do anything else particularly innovative.