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[mail-mi]

vote: ghacob will switch if necessary, but trying this out.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.7:

2.7 (4): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn, TA
TwistedArcher (1):  2.7
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK (6):. UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad
Ghacob (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2):  IG, EgorK

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on July 17 at 9:00 p.m.

[gkrieg13]

So we have 50 minutes left?  And 5 people with votes where they won't really matter.

No, we have a day.

Oh thanks.  I totally read that wrong.

[Twistedarcher]

Mail-mi, your re-read would give me the impression you've been voting for E all day, but you've actually been voting for me the entire day.

[Twistedarcher]

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than EgorK if we're picking lurkers. I'm not super convinced by UoS' re-read on EgorK, it doesn't seem like there's all that much there.

[Twistedarcher]

scummy
Umbrage

Had a lot of thoughts, still unorganized, the good news is that I am convinced by Umbrage, the best case I've seen, much better than what are basically my feelings on things
vote: egork

Why are you voting along with your top scum read? Don't you think his case would be on town if he's scum?

Ghacob's being inconsistent. Add him to my top lynches today.

This reads super super phony to me. This and getting his D2 vote mixed up are both red flags to me.

[Twistedarcher]

Vote: Mail-mi I'd be very happy to lynch here. He's a lurker AND he's scummy.

[Twistedarcher]

If we're going to lynch a lurker/non-voter I would like to try Ghacob. He might be less Active due to IRL-reasons, but this isn't how I remember him play as town.. this is the perfect game to be newb!scum on.

vote: ghacob will switch if necessary, but trying this out.

[Seprix]

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than EgorK if we're picking lurkers. I'm not super convinced by UoS' re-read on EgorK, it doesn't seem like there's all that much there.

I think there's a lot of merit in EgorK, and Mail-Mi's defection to try and distract from EgorK by attacking Ghacob seems a bit fishy, so if EgorK is scum, my next votr will probably be on Mail-Mi.

[Twistedarcher]

Oops, posted before I could comment. But mail-mi definitely has a history of finding scum reads through re-reads on people who have already been targeted as scummy.

[Twistedarcher]

I'd rather lynch Mail-mi than EgorK if we're picking lurkers. I'm not super convinced by UoS' re-read on EgorK, it doesn't seem like there's all that much there.

I think there's a lot of merit in EgorK, and Mail-Mi's defection to try and distract from EgorK by attacking Ghacob seems a bit fishy, so if EgorK is scum, my next votr will probably be on Mail-Mi.

I disagree that it's super good. Here's UoS' points against him:

So basically it's
1: Inconsistent behavior regarding the language of chairs' PM.  I don't think he knows what a town PM looks like.

2: Tendency to jump on wagons at opportunistic moments to give them momentum while just sheeping the people making them.

3: Not seeming to follow one train of logic, willing to sheep me on Faust being scum and sheep Faust on Hockey being scum shortly thereafter.  Without any real resolution to the earlier thing, and on a pretty damn weak case.  I don't think he has any real reads.  He's just sheeping people who start wagons.

4: HARDCORE lurking (including before and after his hospitalization.  Sorry you're sick by the way.)

5: Lots of his actual posts are content-free

Out of these, I don't find 1 to be scummy. 2 I don't know that it's true (there's only one quoted instance), and being on wagons isn't bad, town wants to be on wagons too. 3 is the strongest point here. 4 is true but I don't think it separates him from any other lurkers. ditto for 5. Basically, there's nothing that makes me want to vote him over any other lurker. I know I leaned townier on him D1 (and I don't remember why, I need to re-read my reasons), but that's enough for me to not want to vote him over another lurker, and this case didn't do much to change my mind. I'd rather lynch mail-mi out of the lurkers.

[Twistedarcher]

I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.

[Seprix]

I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.

Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.

[Twistedarcher]

Also interesting is that basically everyone who jumped on the EgorK wagon (except Seprix) is a lurker. Of course this could just be because you're all lurky sheep and this is what you do, which if it is true, come on, come up with your own views or add your views on EgorK or add your views on what you like/dislike about the case.

It could also be that LALL will lead to scum lynches a lot, and the scum lurkers need to make sure it's someone other than themselves.

I hate that I can't distinguish how lurkers play or get any read on them though. It's frustrating, you guys need to make some content that the rest of us can analyze.

[Seprix]

I've noticed a disturbing trend towards lurking play recently in my games, and it's gotten this way because of 'poor me I'm busy' and 'it's just one guy and how he plays' arguments. This is potentially dangerous, and I will personally advocate for a lurker lynch policy.

[mail-mi]

Mail-mi, your re-read would give me the impression you've been voting for E all day, but you've actually been voting for me the entire day.

I didn't mean to give that impression. The reread just lead me to believe that e was scummier from the beginning of it.

[mail-mi]

Oops, posted before I could comment. But mail-mi definitely has a history of finding scum reads through re-reads on people who have already been targeted as scummy.

Actually that post that you quoted had no influence on my scum read of ghacob.

[mail-mi]

scummy
Umbrage

Had a lot of thoughts, still unorganized, the good news is that I am convinced by Umbrage, the best case I've seen, much better than what are basically my feelings on things
vote: egork

Why are you voting along with your top scum read? Don't you think his case would be on town if he's scum?

Ghacob's being inconsistent. Add him to my top lynches today.

This reads super super phony to me. This and getting his D2 vote mixed up are both red flags to me.

Well it's not, and I don't know what else to say. Also, scum tend to keep more track of their votes. Also, see my post two posts ago.

[EFHW]

I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.

Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.

The only one?  Are you trying to distract from 2.7?

[EFHW]

TA claiming mail-mi is scummier than egorK reads false to me.  His analysis of the egorK case, in my view, minimized the scumminess of things like having mostly content-free posts, opportunistic voting, and irregular voting patterns. mail-mi voted Ghacob and forgot who his vote was on.  This is stronger than the egorK case?  mail-mi is taking stances and actively scumhunting. I would be really against a mail-mi lynch today.

[EFHW]

I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.

Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.

Have you made any cases?  I don't recall any right now.

[Ghacob]

I don't think UoS' case is bad, but I think it's definitely on the weaker side of cases. I'd imagine that everyone hopping on is more due to the gameplay rather than anything else though (We've had so few cases or so few ideas, that everything that pops up looks stronger by comparison). It doesn't strike me as "We've got this guy nailed, let's all lynch him", which the quick reaction in votes definitely seemed to indicate.

Yeah, it is bad UoS is the only one making strong cases. The more cases the better.

The only one?  Are you trying to distract from 2.7?

implications clear

[2.71828.....]

So, I don't think TA is going to happen.

The case on EgorK seems a little forced, but what caught my eye was that reread he did.  It reminded me of exactly what scum!egork would do to get caught back up in a game.

So I will go vote: EgorK for now.

I am also interested in mail-mi, but preservation and stuff.  EgorK is a solid lynch choice and I don't think mail-mi will get the votes.


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[ashersky]

Thread locked.

[ashersky]

D2 Final Vote Count:

2.7 (3): EFHW, hockeysemlan, silverspawn
EFHW (1): witherweaver
EgorK (8): UoS, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, gkrieg13, Hydrad, 2.7
Ghacob (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (1): TA

Not Voting (2):  IG, EgorK

With 15 alive, it took 8 to lynch.