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[chairs]

I feel like large games occasionally have "D1 funk" all the way to ~D3.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

While probably true, it's frustrating, and doesn't need to be true.  Hell, a Day 1 funk is bad and unnecessary too.

Town can win in a game with 0 power roles, and not by luck.  But it requires people to take stances.  6 out of 15 players (Ichi, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, mail-mi) don't have any votes down today at all.  I don't know why TA isn't on e, but he's at least taken stances on things.  Not so for the others. 

We only have 2 days left in the day.  Lurking is AMAZING for scum here, especially if e, TA, and I are all town.  Then it'll be like 3 mislynches and 3 night kills into the game and no one will have any reads on anyone else and scum will have never had to commit to an uncomfortable position or do anything that might link them to each other or endanger their partners.

So many of the active players are just caught up on e, (and I'm guilty of this too) that lynching e might just be what needs to happen to move us on.  It'll certainly make the end of D1 wagons more informative.  But I think e's town, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let us lynch town without at least making more town or scum commit to either lynching or not, no matter how informative.

And there needs to be a viable alternative.  My scumread on TA does depend on e and XP both having been town, basically.  But there are a bunch of people that don't have an opinion on that.  If we're going to treat it like Day 1, let's try a Day 1 level case:

Vote: Egork

Reasons in a bit.

[Seprix]

Woah, that's bold.

I can't wait to hear your reasons.

[EFHW]

....  6 out of 15 players (Ichi, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, mail-mi) don't have any votes down today at all.  I don't know why TA isn't on e, but he's at least taken stances on things.  Not so for the others. 

We only have 2 days left in the day.  Lurking is AMAZING for scum here, especially if e, TA, and I are all town.  Then it'll be like 3 mislynches and 3 night kills into the game and no one will have any reads on anyone else and scum will have never had to commit to an uncomfortable position or do anything that might link them to each other or endanger their partners.

So many of the active players are just caught up on e, (and I'm guilty of this too) that lynching e might just be what needs to happen to move us on.  It'll certainly make the end of D1 wagons more informative.  But I think e's town, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let us lynch town without at least making more town or scum commit to either lynching or not, no matter how informative.

+1.  I just signed on to say something very much along these lines.  While I think e is scum, if that wagon lets a bunch of people sit back without committing themselves, I also see that as very much a problem.

[mail-mi]

I think that e was framed in the night kill, and is therefore town. (Or at least not scum).

I am going to put my vote on vote: TA

[chairs]

I'm pretty keen to hear the EgorK case, honestly.

[b\]unvote[/b].

[chairs]

Err...
unvote.

[silverspawn]

[b\]unvote[/b].

[Ichimaru Gin]

Welp. Sorry I'm still so low activity. I have finals next week...so I'll have more time after that. I should be around a bit this weekend as well.

[EFHW]

Welp. Sorry I'm still so low activity. I have finals next week...so I'll have more time after that. I should be around a bit this weekend as well.

Why aren't you voting?

[EFHW]

Err...
unvote.

I don't think you were voting in the first place.

[EFHW]

Err...
unvote.

I don't think you were voting in the first place.

nvm, sorry!

[Ichimaru Gin]

Welp. Sorry I'm still so low activity. I have finals next week...so I'll have more time after that. I should be around a bit this weekend as well.

Why aren't you voting?

Because I don't know who to vote for right now.

[EFHW]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

People not voting/on wagons by themselves:

IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg

I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.

I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK.  It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!

[Twistedarcher]

vote: e

interested to hear more about egork though.

mail-mi's townread on e seems very constructed to me.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Didn't gkrieg already do a reads list?
I thought it was townie too.

[Hydrad]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

People not voting/on wagons by themselves:

IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg

I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.

I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK.  It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!

this feels odd.

why 2 town or 2 scum?

is it only those 2 options? or is town/scum possible also.

[Seprix]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

People not voting/on wagons by themselves:

IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg

I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.

I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK.  It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!

I'm staying on TA, but I am concerned about the lack of activity. Then again, since no one is doing anything, scum doesn't feel motivated to do much either. TA has like, 4 votes on him? There could be worse pressure.

[Twistedarcher]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is

[EFHW]

I think this plurality lynch is bad for town - it makes a lot less pressure on everyone to vote and take stances.

[EFHW]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

People not voting/on wagons by themselves:

IG, Ghacob, Hydrad, EgorK, TA, WW, gkrieg

I'm not including chairs b/c he did vote recently and is waiting to hear UoS's case on egorK.

I'm staying on 2.7, but I do want to hear what UoS has to say about egorK.  It would be great to get reads lists from the 7 people mentioned above!

this feels odd.

why 2 town or 2 scum?

is it only those 2 options? or is town/scum possible also.

Of course, all three patterns are possible!  The current complacency could mean nothing at all, and we could have scum equally distributed among the voters and non-voters.  It's just striking, so it gives me pause is all. It's not enough to take me off e right now, but I think it's something to keep in mind.

[EFHW]

(mostly I want people to start posting more!)

[EFHW]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is

I know you are agreeing with me, but this feels scummy.

[Seprix]

Hey! People posting!

[Twistedarcher]

I think we have 7 people either not voting or the only ones on a wagon.  This is concerning to me, since it is the pattern we would get if both wagons were town.  The scum players can hang back and let town lynch itself.  If they were both scum, I'd expect a 3rd wagon to have developed some time ago.

this is my fear. i have a scumread on e. but if he's town this is exactly how i'd expect d2 to play out. and it makes me want to lynch a lurker, esp one who jumped on either myself or e with flimsy reasoning. time to go see who that is

I know you are agreeing with me, but this feels scummy.

sorry? i hope you're not falling into the trap that when i phone post it reads scummy,cuz i know that is a thing.