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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #250 on: April 06, 2015, 03:08:47 pm »

Getting neither Caravan nor Banker has severely limited my options.  Pass.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #251 on: April 06, 2015, 03:32:29 pm »

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #252 on: April 06, 2015, 05:47:27 pm »

I pay $2 for the last Engineer, irrigating D2 and getting 2VP.

Kirian and ghost each get $1 for having passed.  I pass.  procession into Tammouz.

For Ishtar, I take Camel.  Nobody else is in Ishtar.

For Marduk, ghost gets 2VP and Kirian gets 1VP.

For Tammouz, I take Palm from Field 1.  Kirian may swap a resource if he wishes.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #253 on: April 06, 2015, 06:35:01 pm »

Updated to the above. Kirian, would you like to swap a resource?
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #254 on: April 06, 2015, 11:37:53 pm »

I think I'll keep what I have for the moment.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #255 on: April 07, 2015, 07:05:11 am »

Current Player: ghostofmars

Caravan Location: Susa
First player: ghostofmars
Round Number: 11
Garden tiles left: 8

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PeasantPeasantMerchant
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Prestige425252
ResourcesBarley, DatesSaltPalm
Camels223
Talents444

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #256 on: April 07, 2015, 12:49:37 pm »

Group 3 engineer to G3
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #257 on: April 07, 2015, 12:52:26 pm »

Current Player: eHalcyon

Caravan Location: Susa
First player: ghostofmars
Round Number: 11
Garden tiles left: 8

Group 1Group 2Group 3
PeasantPeasantMerchant
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Prestige425452
ResourcesBarley, DatesSaltPalm
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #258 on: April 07, 2015, 03:51:17 pm »

Group 1 Peasant to Field 1 for Barley.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #259 on: April 07, 2015, 04:36:38 pm »

Priest to Ishtar
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #260 on: April 07, 2015, 04:51:06 pm »

Peasant group 2 for dates
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #261 on: April 07, 2015, 05:21:19 pm »

$2 for the last Peasant, taking Wine.  No Gardeners remain for me, unfortunately.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #262 on: April 07, 2015, 05:57:51 pm »

$2 for the last Peasant, taking Wine.  No Gardeners remain for me, unfortunately.

Yes, I wonder whose fault that is, for hoarding the Gardeners? :P

Current Player: Kirian

Caravan Location: Susa
First player: ghostofmars
Round Number: 11
Garden tiles left: 8

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #263 on: April 07, 2015, 06:08:56 pm »

$2 for the last Peasant, taking Wine.  No Gardeners remain for me, unfortunately.

Yes, I wonder whose fault that is, for hoarding the Gardeners? :P

I blame ghost!
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #264 on: April 07, 2015, 06:10:50 pm »

ghost should still have $4.  He was first in Group 2 and Group 3, both free.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #265 on: April 07, 2015, 06:20:57 pm »

What is the probability that none of a certain craftsman appears in the draft?  There are 4 Merchants, 4 Peasants, 3 Priests, 3 Engineers.  We choose 9.  This is combinations without replacement, but with duplicates.  It's been so long since I learned Combinations, I don't really remember how to do this.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #266 on: April 07, 2015, 06:43:35 pm »

What is the probability that none of a certain craftsman appears in the draft?  There are 4 Merchants, 4 Peasants, 3 Priests, 3 Engineers.  We choose 9.  This is combinations without replacement, but with duplicates.  It's been so long since I learned Combinations, I don't really remember how to do this.

For a given type, it would be (chance first isn't that type) * (chance 2nd isn't that type) * ... * (chance last isn't that type), which simplifies with factorials quite nicely in this case to (10!/1!)/(14!/5!) = 5/1001 for Peasants or Merchants (roughly 0.2% each), and (11!/2!)/(14!/5!) = 5/182 for Priests or Engineers (roughly 2.7% each). Putting these together and simplfying gives a 5/77, or roughly 6.5% chance of one type of craftsman being missing.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #267 on: April 07, 2015, 09:19:02 pm »

G2 Merchant
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #268 on: April 07, 2015, 11:54:47 pm »

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #269 on: April 07, 2015, 11:59:23 pm »

I pay 1 camel to visit Khorsabad, paying Barley and Wine.  I use a Gardener to plant in B5, gaining 6 Prestige and 2 Camels, plus 2 more Prestige from irrigation bonus.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #270 on: April 08, 2015, 06:32:40 am »

There is now a Gardener available.

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Garden tiles left: 7

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #271 on: April 08, 2015, 08:04:48 am »

Note to self: Caravaneer is top priority in any future game.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #272 on: April 08, 2015, 08:05:25 am »

Oh, right.  Pass.
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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #273 on: April 08, 2015, 10:36:08 am »

Note to self: Caravaneer is top priority in any future game.

In my 2nd game I didn't get a caravaneer, and won. Then again I had the level 3 banker. I think you definitely want some advancements in one of those though, otherwise you end up too limited on options - few talents to recruit who you need, and needing to spend multiple camels to move around once.

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Re: Amyitis: Building the Hanging Gardens
« Reply #274 on: April 08, 2015, 12:04:15 pm »

For the record, ghost, if you pass, I will also pass, so you can go ahead and do procession stuff in that case.  I'm still going to have Tammouz for sure, and I will be taking Palm in field 2.

If you aren't passing yet, I may act as well.



I tend to favour flexibility in games.  It's why my favourite wonders for 7 Wonders are Ephesos and Alexandria.  Banker and Caravaneer felt like priorities to me because of that.  Then I had some good luck to allow me to reach Banker 3.  Then I went for Caravaneer 2 for maximum camel.  I think I was planning for that above Palace, though ghost decided for me when he took Palace.   
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