Topic: RMM23: Deus Ex Machina (Town Wins!) (Read 192587 times)

Ichimaru Gin · « **Reply #1600 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm »

What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #1601 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:28:38 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:27:44 pm

As I mentioned, the role is phrased such that the lynch is prevented only if the person shares my alignment. So if I were scum, town would be lynched and scum would be Governed.

which makes it supremely useful for scum

faust · « **Reply #1602 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:28:42 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:27:44 pm

As I mentioned, the role is phrased such that the lynch is prevented only if the person shares my alignment. So if I were scum, town would be lynched and scum would be Governed.

Ah, didn't get that. In that case, the role would be far too strong for scum.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1603 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:28:58 pm »

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm

What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

Just like XP?

Ichimaru Gin · « **Reply #1604 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:29:57 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:28:58 pm

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

Just like XP?

I forget. What did XP keep hidden again?

faust · « **Reply #1605 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:30:50 pm »

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm

What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

I kinda agree, at least if this is done without town benefit. I mean ugh, what if we, at some point, HAD lynched one of WW's targets? Then we would have seen his claim as a lie to get out of it and lynched him straight after that. That's awful.

Similar things hold for e.

faust · « **Reply #1606 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:31:08 pm »

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:29:57 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:28:58 pm
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

Just like XP?
I forget. What did XP keep hidden again?

I think XP just misread his role.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1607 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:31:32 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:28:42 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:27:44 pm
As I mentioned, the role is phrased such that the lynch is prevented only if the person shares my alignment. So if I were scum, town would be lynched and scum would be Governed.

Ah, didn't get that. In that case, the role would be far too strong for scum.

Oh, so I'm as confirmed as Joseph now? Cool!

I'm not certain, though. There could be some sort of balancing (other role choices maybe?) if scum had this power. Also, when one lynch is successfully prevented, the others are reset, so you'd have to keep selecting.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1608 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:32:06 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:30:50 pm

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

I kinda agree, at least if this is done without town benefit. I mean ugh, what if we, at some point, HAD lynched one of WW's targets? Then we would have seen his claim as a lie to get out of it and lynched him straight after that. That's awful.

Similar things hold for e.

But then that creates an IC.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #1609 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:32:15 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:21:14 pm

e: What benefit was there in hiding part of your role?

There is no real benefit. I mean, I could try to argue something to make it look better, but that isn't the case. The thing is, there was no real negative impact either. I was going to claim it yesterday, but no one targeted me with any actions (that I was informed of). So I just waited.

faust · « **Reply #1610 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:32:55 pm »

Quote from: 2.71828..... on March 28, 2015, 01:32:15 pm

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:21:14 pm
e: What benefit was there in hiding part of your role?

There is no real benefit. I mean, I could try to argue something to make it look better, but that isn't the case. The thing is, there was no real negative impact either. I was going to claim it yesterday, but no one targeted me with any actions (that I was informed of). So I just waited.

The negative impact is we don't believe you now.

faust · « **Reply #1611 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:34:58 pm »

I think I want to lynch either silver or WW today. But we'll see how claiming goes.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #1612 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:35:26 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:32:55 pm

Quote from: 2.71828..... on March 28, 2015, 01:32:15 pm
Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:21:14 pm
e: What benefit was there in hiding part of your role?

There is no real benefit. I mean, I could try to argue something to make it look better, but that isn't the case. The thing is, there was no real negative impact either. I was going to claim it yesterday, but no one targeted me with any actions (that I was informed of). So I just waited.

The negative impact is we don't believe you now.

well, that would be negative if that is the case. I don't see why it would cause you to disbelieve me though. And what exactly are you disbelieving? My entire role? Everything I say?

faust · « **Reply #1613 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:36:00 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:32:06 pm

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:30:50 pm
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

I kinda agree, at least if this is done without town benefit. I mean ugh, what if we, at some point, HAD lynched one of WW's targets? Then we would have seen his claim as a lie to get out of it and lynched him straight after that. That's awful.

Similar things hold for e.

But then that creates an IC.

Yeah - after two mislynches. Why not just claim right off the bat?

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1614 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:36:39 pm »

I fail to see an advantage of lynching me above Silver.

If Silver is lynched, he flips scum and I'm confirmed. If Silver is town, then I know Silver is an IC and you all know we're alignment-locked.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1615 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:37:34 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:36:00 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:32:06 pm
Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:30:50 pm
Quote from: Ichimaru Gin on March 28, 2015, 01:27:56 pm
What I don't like is all these people keeping stuff hidden about their roles--it feels scummy.

I kinda agree, at least if this is done without town benefit. I mean ugh, what if we, at some point, HAD lynched one of WW's targets? Then we would have seen his claim as a lie to get out of it and lynched him straight after that. That's awful.

Similar things hold for e.

But then that creates an IC.

Yeah - after two mislynches. Why not just claim right off the bat?

After one mislynch (me). And because claiming reduces the utility of my role. It's better if I can do it after a result.

2.71828..... · « **Reply #1616 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:37:38 pm »

I could vote for silverspawn today. Not my top choice, but PoE leaves him in a category of acceptable lynches.

I will not vote for WW. He is town

faust · « **Reply #1617 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:38:12 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:36:39 pm

I fail to see an advantage of lynching me above Silver.

If Silver is lynched, he flips scum and I'm confirmed. If Silver is town, then I know Silver is an IC and you all know we're alignment-locked.

If you're scum, silver can still be town (and survive the lynch). But yeah, I prefer silver right now.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1618 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:39:13 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:38:12 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:36:39 pm
I fail to see an advantage of lynching me above Silver.

If Silver is lynched, he flips scum and I'm confirmed. If Silver is town, then I know Silver is an IC and you all know we're alignment-locked.

If you're scum, silver can still be town (and survive the lynch). But yeah, I prefer silver right now.

Not unless there is another Governor role around.. I can only protect people of my alignment. I guess you can make up a role for me where that would happen?

faust · « **Reply #1619 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:40:01 pm »

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:39:13 pm

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:38:12 pm
Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:36:39 pm
I fail to see an advantage of lynching me above Silver.

If Silver is lynched, he flips scum and I'm confirmed. If Silver is town, then I know Silver is an IC and you all know we're alignment-locked.

If you're scum, silver can still be town (and survive the lynch). But yeah, I prefer silver right now.

Not unless there is another Governor role around.. I can only protect people of my alignment. I guess you can make up a role for me where that would happen?

It happens if you're just an ordinary scum Governor.

faust · « **Reply #1620 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:40:52 pm »

But hey, I can just confirm WW's role tonight, right? So no worries about him lying.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1621 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:41:55 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:40:52 pm

But hey, I can just confirm WW's role tonight, right? So no worries about him lying.

Yes.

faust · « **Reply #1622 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:44:34 pm »

Man, I'm not sure Ichi claiming his lynchees was such a good idea. We're pointing out to scum who is doctored.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1623 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:44:41 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:40:01 pm

Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:39:13 pm
Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:38:12 pm
Quote from: Witherweaver on March 28, 2015, 01:36:39 pm
I fail to see an advantage of lynching me above Silver.

If Silver is lynched, he flips scum and I'm confirmed. If Silver is town, then I know Silver is an IC and you all know we're alignment-locked.

If you're scum, silver can still be town (and survive the lynch). But yeah, I prefer silver right now.

Not unless there is another Governor role around.. I can only protect people of my alignment. I guess you can make up a role for me where that would happen?
It happens if you're just an ordinary scum Governor.

Yeah, uh... you really think that's likely? Go back and reread me. Also not I specifically avoided claiming my Role title until you asked me. ("Partial Governor" would have raised too many questions and I couldn't think of anything to make the "Partial" part make sense. So I just went for full Governor.) I would have had to come up with this "lie" way in advance.

Witherweaver · « **Reply #1624 on:** March 28, 2015, 01:45:02 pm »

Quote from: faust on March 28, 2015, 01:44:34 pm

Man, I'm not sure Ichi claiming his lynchees was such a good idea. We're pointing out to scum who is doctored.

No, it's another independent target who is doctored/injured.

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