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[Joseph2302]

Unvote: silverspawn. Seems town to me, he only seemed scummy when my logic was being super-stupid.

[silverspawn]

yeah, this doesn't surprise me.

Joseph is town I think.

let's lynch Awaclus or ADK

[Joseph2302]

yeah, this doesn't surprise me.

Joseph is town I think.

let's lynch Awaclus or ADK

ADK is interesting to me. He gave me the doubling power, but scum could do that, assuming that I'll be useless and help them kill town. That seems like a risky strategy though.

[Witherweaver]

yeah, this doesn't surprise me.

Joseph is town I think.

let's lynch Awaclus or ADK

ADK is interesting to me. He gave me the doubling power, but scum could do that, assuming that I'll be useless and help them kill town. That seems like a risky strategy though.

So double kill ADK, just in case one of them doesn't work.

[2.71828.....]

Hey, everyone was right about Joseph's role except for Joseph!  Fun times.  I am not sure that this makes him scum though.  I think it is more just super embarrassing for him. 

[Witherweaver]

We still have a (potential) problem:

Joseph targets XP with Poison.  Scum Attacks XP, which neutralizes Poison.  Would Joseph show up as targetting XP, or does the "neutralization" act as a Roleblock for purposes of targetting?

What happens if you Watch someone that was Doctored and Attacked?  You'd get both people targetting, right?

[Witherweaver]

Plus, can you answer this:

What happens if the target was already attacked?

Say Night 1 Scum Team A attacks me.  Night 2 you Poison me.  Do I die Night 3?

[Joseph2302]

Plus, can you answer this:

What happens if the target was already attacked?

Say Night 1 Scum Team A attacks me.  Night 2 you Poison me.  Do I die Night 3?

Yes.

They only get unpoisoned if attacked on night you poison them or night after (N2 and N3) in example.

[ashersky]

As I read it now, he's a delayed Vig, with a "perk" that his target won't die if targeted by one of the scum team---more likely to happen to town than scum.

Or he's what I said -- scum who wants to have a way to let the other half of his team know who to kill.

And what's with all the "kill kill kill" crap?  We all know that unless you are chairs, vigs work out badly.  Wanting him to use extra kills?  What the hell?  He's more likely to kill off town than scum (just mathematically speaking, even).

[ashersky]

Plus, can you answer this:

What happens if the target was already attacked?

Say Night 1 Scum Team A attacks me.  Night 2 you Poison me.  Do I die Night 3?

Yes.

They only get unpoisoned if attacked on night you poison them or night after (N2 and N3) in example.

What affect does the poison have on the attack now?

[ashersky]

WW (top scum read anyway) is super white knighting Joseph.  I'd assume Joseph/WW pair with Ichi or whomever as Hydrad's partner.

[silverspawn]

WW (top scum read anyway) is super white knighting Joseph.  I'd assume Joseph/WW pair with Ichi or whomever as Hydrad's partner.

if they're both scum, it's not white knighting, right?

[ashersky]

WW (top scum read anyway) is super white knighting Joseph.  I'd assume Joseph/WW pair with Ichi or whomever as Hydrad's partner.

if they're both scum, it's not white knighting, right?

Fake white knighting.

[ashersky]

I mean, how hard is it to imagine that Joseph, and/or his partner, going "hey, you just really messed up in Dune 2, plus you make mistakes all the time, let's use that to our advantage" and faking this whole thing.

[silverspawn]

so, it's funny because I recall you making a really interesting posts about how strong different PR's are. I think you said doc is weak, vig is super strong, IC is somewhere below average. or was that not you? I'm pretty sure it was you.

[silverspawn]

I mean, how hard is it to imagine that Joseph, and/or his partner, going "hey, you just really messed up in Dune 2, plus you make mistakes all the time, let's use that to our advantage" and faking this whole thing.

it's possible-- I'm not saying I'm 100% sure he's town or anything. I just think it's likely.

[ashersky]

so, it's funny because I recall you making a really interesting posts about how strong different PR's are. I think you said doc is weak, vig is super strong, IC is somewhere below average. or was that not you? I'm pretty sure it was you.

Post where?  In a speccy?  I do think vigs are strong.  Shooting willy-nilly by a player who misunderstood (or fake misunderstood) his role?  Nope.  Double-vigs are bastard.  Un-doctorable double-vigs are even worse.

He's lying about his role.

[Witherweaver]

WW (top scum read anyway) is super white knighting Joseph.  I'd assume Joseph/WW pair with Ichi or whomever as Hydrad's partner.

I'm not white knighting him in the least.  What are you talking about?

[Witherweaver]

Are you even reading the thread?

[ashersky]

Answering questions for him:

We have a scum faction split into two with the difficult proposition of making night kills work only when both pairs successfully target the same player.

Then we have a player claim he can negate one (or more) of those attacks each night, thereby making it even more difficult for those kills to be successful.

Then we have that same player claim to have used his kill-stopping power on the player that died at night.

Why in the world are we believing anything this player says?  The role is made up nonsense that can't possible exist, then his "use" of that role didn't even match his claims, and now he's backtracked completely to a safer claim when it's been pointed out.

He's not saying he can negate attacks.  He's saying now that he does not.

[ashersky]

Explaining why it's more likely he's town for him:

As I read it now, he's a delayed Vig, with a "perk" that his target won't die if targeted by one of the scum team---more likely to happen to town than scum.

[ashersky]

You are, without need or reason, spending your time defending him and explaining away his scumminess.  You are holding him up as the paragon of towniness and fighting against those fighting him.

This happens in two circumstances: scum protecting a partner or scum protecting town for towncred (white knighting).

I'm saying that you are fake white knighting him, making it the first situation.

[Witherweaver]

I'm saying what I understand to be what he's now claiming.  You said something different, so I was correcting.

Seriously, it's like you're phoning it in this game.

[Witherweaver]

Explaining why it's more likely he's town for him:

As I read it now, he's a delayed Vig, with a "perk" that his target won't die if targeted by one of the scum team---more likely to happen to town than scum.

His role having extra town utility makes it MORE suspect

[Witherweaver]

Answering questions for him:

We have a scum faction split into two with the difficult proposition of making night kills work only when both pairs successfully target the same player.

Then we have a player claim he can negate one (or more) of those attacks each night, thereby making it even more difficult for those kills to be successful.

Then we have that same player claim to have used his kill-stopping power on the player that died at night.

Why in the world are we believing anything this player says?  The role is made up nonsense that can't possible exist, then his "use" of that role didn't even match his claims, and now he's backtracked completely to a safer claim when it's been pointed out.

He's not saying he can negate attacks.  He's saying now that he does not.

This wasn't a question to him, it was rhetorical to all of us.