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[faust]

Reads list:

Townish: Awaclus, chairs, Joseph, ADK

Null: e, ash

Scummy: silver, WW, Ichi

PPE: 5

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Also, I am willing to participate in faust's plan.

[Ichimaru Gin]

That would be lame.

Does anyone else have flavor information/explanation regarding their role in their role QT?  I do not.

Also, I don't have a qt for my role.

*cough* scumslip.

PPE: 3

[Witherweaver]

Why is Silver scummy?  Because Joseph is townie?

So the operating theory for town!Joseph is that he was Roleblocked in some way.  This indicates scum would be worried about Joseph poisoning them.. what were Joseph's D1 reads?

[Witherweaver]

That would be lame.

Does anyone else have flavor information/explanation regarding their role in their role QT?  I do not.

Also, I don't have a qt for my role.

*cough* scumslip.

PPE: 3

PM, obviously.

[faust]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

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AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Making the poisoner a role that negates attacks does weaken it enough for scum.  There is a reason I was saying my #1 kill choice last night as scum was going to be Joseph.  His role, as claimed, is extremely powerful.  I mean, whoever he targets is 2-night bulletproof (to some extent) and then they die unless the BP is used up.

Except.....XP still died.

[Witherweaver]

Of note, early analysis of roles:

2.7 - role could definitely be scum, however only protective role, so probably not IMO.
A Drowned Kernel - role could be either, getting a null read
ashersky - cannot see how this is a scum role, good town player
XerxesPraelor - kind of think this is too good for scum, so I think town
Hydrad - role could be either, logic with faust thing seems a bit weak.
Awaclus - could definitely been scum role, "If I was partners with XP, I would kill silverspawn." seems like a pointless statement, as I'm pretty sure XP is town. Not too much else to go on.
faust - role could be either, null read on posts.
Joseph2302 - me
silverspawn - role could be either, posts don't seem very scummy to me.
Witherweaver - can you target scum with this role? If so, seems scummy role. But play hasn't been scummy.
chairs - needed for the plan, role could be scummy, but his play doesn't seem scummy to me
Ichimaru Gin - possible scum role. Seems pretty defensive.

PPE: Lots (3?)

[faust]

Why is Silver scummy?  Because Joseph is townie?

So the operating theory for town!Joseph is that he was Roleblocked in some way.  This indicates scum would be worried about Joseph poisoning them.. what were Joseph's D1 reads?

You should take one step back. We'll see whether Joseph is town tomorrow. Then we can make conclusions.

silver is scummy because Joseph is townie and I don't buy the town narrative for him targeting Joseph.

[Ichimaru Gin]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

Why not today? I don't really trust his reads either if he targeted XP. Letting him randomly kill 2 other people could end up hitting no scum and just hurt us a bunch.

PPE: Interesting, he says he thinks XP is town there.

[Witherweaver]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

It doesn't have to be, I'm just trying to figure out if he's scum or not.

I'm still voting Ichi.

[Joseph2302]

Why is Silver scummy?  Because Joseph is townie?

So the operating theory for town!Joseph is that he was Roleblocked in some way.  This indicates scum would be worried about Joseph poisoning them.. what were Joseph's D1 reads?

Because silverspawn is only person who could have RB me. If I'm town, then either silverspawn is lying, or someone has fakeclaimed their role.

Wait a  second.. According to Joseph, scum attacks Stab?  Did anyone know about this?  It doesn't seem to be in the flavor.

The flavour idea is that if I poison them and scum stabs them, then the stab causes the poison to leave them, so they don't die.
So as XP was attacked, then as I poisoned XP, he shouldn't have been killed.
Which means someone must have stopped me attacking XP.

This is very interesting.  Why stab? 

Just for clarification, my flavour didn't include the exact word "stab". It did say that if a poisoned person is attacked, then the poison leaves them, I implied stabbing from this (although the only way I can think of to get poison out of someone is for the poisoned blood to leave them, for example by stabbing).

PPE:3

[Witherweaver]

There wasn't much at all in regards to posted reads

A town/town on Ichi v. Faust, a "maybe not scummy" on Awaclus, and he says:

So, any thoughts on who I should poison?

Okay, I guess I should choose the person I find scummiest. This makes sense, right?

[Witherweaver]

Why is Silver scummy?  Because Joseph is townie?

So the operating theory for town!Joseph is that he was Roleblocked in some way.  This indicates scum would be worried about Joseph poisoning them.. what were Joseph's D1 reads?

Because silverspawn is only person who could have RB me. If I'm town, then either silverspawn is lying, or someone has fakeclaimed their role.

Wait a  second.. According to Joseph, scum attacks Stab?  Did anyone know about this?  It doesn't seem to be in the flavor.

The flavour idea is that if I poison them and scum stabs them, then the stab causes the poison to leave them, so they don't die.
So as XP was attacked, then as I poisoned XP, he shouldn't have been killed.
Which means someone must have stopped me attacking XP.

This is very interesting.  Why stab? 

Just for clarification, my flavour didn't include the exact word "stab". It did say that if a poisoned person is attacked, then the poison leaves them, I implied stabbing from this (although the only way I can think of to get poison out of someone is for the poisoned blood to leave them, for example by stabbing).

PPE:3

I'm somewhat inclined to believe this.  Notably, if you check the opening flavour for the game, Sudgy's body specifically has no stab wounds. 

[faust]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

Why not today? I don't really trust his reads either if he targeted XP. Letting him randomly kill 2 other people could end up hitting no scum and just hurt us a bunch.

PPE: Interesting, he says he thinks XP is town there.

If you don't trust his reads, you're already working under the assumption that he's town, in which case we shouldn't lynch him. Tomorrow because tomorrow we will KNOW whether he lied about his role.

If it makes you feel better, we can direct his second poisoning.

PPEs

[Joseph2302]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

Why not today? I don't really trust his reads either if he targeted XP. Letting him randomly kill 2 other people could end up hitting no scum and just hurt us a bunch.

PPE: Interesting, he says he thinks XP is town there.

That's true, but if I poison 2 town, it's reasonably likely 1 of them will be attacked as well. Also, if I hadn't been RBed (or whatever happened), then I would actually have saved XP last night. So, my poison can work as offence and defence.

PPE:2

[Ichimaru Gin]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

Why not today? I don't really trust his reads either if he targeted XP. Letting him randomly kill 2 other people could end up hitting no scum and just hurt us a bunch.

PPE: Interesting, he says he thinks XP is town there.

If you don't trust his reads, you're already working under the assumption that he's town, in which case we shouldn't lynch him. Tomorrow because tomorrow we will KNOW whether he lied about his role.

If it makes you feel better, we can direct his second poisoning.

PPEs

Uh. That just makes me think that the utility of keeping him alive is much less. You, really, really don't want to lynch Joseph today do you? I'm fine with e being poisoned though.

PPE: This does sound kind of townie.

[Witherweaver]

AND... who else has a "must be town" role? Every other role in the game could be alignment-switched and it would still work balance-wise.

Look... we can find out if Joseph lies tonight. If he does, we'll just lynch him tomorrow. Why does it have to be today?

Why not today? I don't really trust his reads either if he targeted XP. Letting him randomly kill 2 other people could end up hitting no scum and just hurt us a bunch.

PPE: Interesting, he says he thinks XP is town there.

That's true, but if I poison 2 town, it's reasonably likely 1 of them will be attacked as well. Also, if I hadn't been RBed (or whatever happened), then I would actually have saved XP last night. So, my poison can work as offence and defence.

PPE:2

This doesn't  make sense.. you've stated that scum Attacks cause Poison to leave the body... why does Poison negate scum Attacks?  Is this explicitly stated?

[faust]

Uh. That just makes me think that the utility of keeping him alive is much less. You, really, really don't want to lynch Joseph today do you? I'm fine with e being poisoned though.

PPE: This does sound kind of townie.

Not sure I understand what you're trying to say here.

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Leaving for work now, like my vote where it is.  This Joseph stuff is really interesting though.  I am in favor of waiting to lynch him and see how his role works out tonight.

One thing that I can do, is if I target Joseph, then he will not be able to have someone RB/redirect his action, because the action they perform on him will go to me.  So maybe modify the plan a bit for that?  Joseph can still poison me, but I help make sure he hits his targets.  I think his second poison target should remain secret.

[Witherweaver]

Allegedly he received a 1-Shot Duplicator, so I don't think it has to be used tonight... why should he necessarily Poison twice?

[faust]

Allegedly he received a 1-Shot Duplicator, so I don't think it has to be used tonight... why should he necessarily Poison twice?

Because he might die.

[Witherweaver]

For reference, here was Hydrad's WIFOM Ash thing:

If I were scum with joesph I would kill chairs because of the weird cop combo potential

[faust]

Leaving for work now, like my vote where it is.  This Joseph stuff is really interesting though.  I am in favor of waiting to lynch him and see how his role works out tonight.

One thing that I can do, is if I target Joseph, then he will not be able to have someone RB/redirect his action, because the action they perform on him will go to me.  So maybe modify the plan a bit for that?  Joseph can still poison me, but I help make sure he hits his targets.  I think his second poison target should remain secret.

I don't think that's any good. If someone roleblocks/redirects Joseph, they will not target me and be outed as scum tomorrow.

[Witherweaver]

Late Day 1 reads by Hydrad:

You could be one of those people. What would you like to discuss? Who do you think is scummy?

Ya I know thats my fault for not engaging. I just find its easier when people ask me directly then if I have to "interrupt".

Anyways I think XP/SS/IG are scummy right now. I was going to suggest talking about a night plan but it seems faust has made a nice one and no one has any issues with it.

Also faust/asher/ADK/e seem towny. E just seems towny for his role though so I don't know if I should count that or not.

The three scum where 1 is a partner thing is a pretty common, and hey XP is in there.  That makes the likelihood of SS and IG being his partner higher, and I think Ichi is the much more likely of the two.

Did Hydrad ever react to Ichi's slip?