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[chairs]

Let me make sure I understand this plan.

I send a message to silverspawn -> XP redirects to joseph -> silverspawn claims whether or not he got the message -> result on joseph

One thing I do see as beneficial here is that I know what message I sent, so we basically can verify immediately whether (in the above example) silverspawn is scum.

[silverspawn]

Let me make sure I understand this plan.

I send a message to silverspawn -> XP redirects to joseph -> silverspawn claims whether or not he got the message -> result on joseph

One thing I do see as beneficial here is that I know what message I sent, so we basically can verify immediately whether (in the above example) silverspawn is scum.

yes, exactly

[silverspawn]

well, except that you won't see whether or not I'm scum in the above example; you'll instead see whether or not Joseph is scum

[faust]

Fine. I redirect peoples' actions, including attacks, but cannot redirect an attack to scum.

Here you say you cannot redirect attacks to scum. Now you say you cannot redirect any action to scum. Which is true?

[silverspawn]

He already cleared that up a page ago:

Just reread it. It fails complete if the one I redirect to is scum, no matter what the action is.

[silverspawn]

so, I would actually say we do this plan. The question is just which player do we want to investigate. how about ash or Hydrad?

[faust]

He already cleared that up a page ago:

Just reread it. It fails complete if the one I redirect to is scum, no matter what the action is.

Well. If that's true, it changes things of course. Your plan is clever, I like it. The issue is that chairs' target would have to be public knowledge, and then scum can manipulate. Or we slow the process down: N1: chairs sends Xerxes a message with his target for N2 (provide alternatives in case of lynch/kill). Then N2 we do the investigation thingy.

[faust]

so, I would actually say we do this plan. The question is just which player do we want to investigate. how about ash or Hydrad?

Uhh... we do not publicly discuss this is best I think.

[faust]

chairs: Can you send more than 1 message per night?

FWIW, I've been Mailman once in an RMM game by Archetype. He seems to like that role. I was town then.

[Ichimaru Gin]

faust. I feel like you're being purposefully dishonest in voting me and your analysis of my role.

You already seemingly acknowledged that you understood that the # of players I pick after my original target is determined the same was as SS--yet you omit that from your analysis post. I never used the word Doctor to describe my role--yet you act as if I did. My role protects my target from all attacks if one of the other people I choose gets lynched. You rate numerous, numerous other people as having roles with higher scum utility and lower town utility. I just don't get it.

I don't really buy that you aren't paying attention. I think you're doing this on purpose and it makes me want to vote: faust. I can make my lynch choices public the following day so it can be guaranteed that my target gets protected during the night--assuming that at least one of my choices is likable to most people. So it is not that difficult to ensure that my role doesn't "backfire".

I don't like how e gives you town credit for claiming last and pretending that you had a reason for it when your supposed role does not warrant that at all. You know you don't have any good reason to vote me--and it seems you purposefully refrained from stating any, so I can only conclude that you're either scum or doing this to get a reaction out of me (maybe both).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Ooh, I like vote: Ichi now.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ooh, I like vote: Ichi now.

Why, might I ask?

[silverspawn]

Ooh, I like vote: Ichi now.

really? I actually thought he was making good points

so, I would actually say we do this plan. The question is just which player do we want to investigate. how about ash or Hydrad?

Uhh... we do not publicly discuss this is best I think.

I thought the nature of this plan makes public planing inevitable.

[Joseph2302]

Ooh, I like vote: Ichi now.

Why? I don't. He made sense.

[Awaclus]

I like vote: faust more. I also feel like faust made my role sound scummier than it actually is (ignoring the possibility that scum might have investigative powers), and Ichi's points are good too.

[silverspawn]

so, I would actually say we do this plan. The question is just which player do we want to investigate. how about ash or Hydrad?

Uhh... we do not publicly discuss this is best I think.

I thought the nature of this plan makes public planing inevitable.

actually it doesn't, he can just pick his targets. nvm what I was thinking.

[silverspawn]

I like vote: faust more. I also feel like faust made my role sound scummier than it actually is (ignoring the possibility that scum might have investigative powers), and Ichi's points are good too.

no... this feels dishonest

vote: Awaclus

[Awaclus]

I like vote: faust more. I also feel like faust made my role sound scummier than it actually is (ignoring the possibility that scum might have investigative powers), and Ichi's points are good too.

no... this feels dishonest

vote: Awaclus

It's not.

[silverspawn]

I like vote: faust more. I also feel like faust made my role sound scummier than it actually is (ignoring the possibility that scum might have investigative powers), and Ichi's points are good too.

no... this feels dishonest

vote: Awaclus

It's not.

of course scum!you would claim that it's not, making it a rather redundant statement, not unlike this one

[Ichimaru Gin]

It's important for people to remember we have two scumteams here. I think faust is scum--and ADK not responding with any explanation for his vote on me feels bad also. It's also totally possible that some of the people jumping on the faust wagon are opportunistic scum from the opposite team though.

I just wanted to put this out here since I can feel myself having to break away from the one-team scumhunting logic that I'm used to.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Ichi's whole post feels like total OMGUS to me, and seems like scum worried about the lynch pool getting too narrow. I agree with a lot of faust's analysis, though I don't think we should be lynching people based solely on how scummy their role is. People's reactions, though, are telling.

[Witherweaver]

It's important for people to remember we have two scumteams here. I think faust is scum--and ADK not responding with any explanation for his vote on me feels bad also. It's also totally possible that some of the people jumping on the faust wagon are opportunistic scum from the opposite team though.

I just wanted to put this out here since I can feel myself having to break away from the one-team scumhunting logic that I'm used to.

This sets off scum alarms.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ichi's whole post feels like total OMGUS to me, and seems like scum worried about the lynch pool getting too narrow. I agree with a lot of faust's analysis, though I don't think we should be lynching people based solely on how scummy their role is. People's reactions, though, are telling.

Well this is just ludicrous. Yes it's OMGUS to a degree--but faust's behavior has been legitimately troubling and scummy. Why should I be bullied out of voting for him just because he voted me first? Scared about the lynch pool getting too narrow? Where did you get that from? If anything, it looks to me like faust did some "analysis" and laid down some ground rules and then just completely ignored them. Then you jumped my wagon because you thought you could get away with it and are now scrambling to invent reasons why you voted me.

I think you're scum btw.

PPE: 1

[Witherweaver]

Ichi's whole post feels like total OMGUS to me, and seems like scum worried about the lynch pool getting too narrow. I agree with a lot of faust's analysis, though I don't think we should be lynching people based solely on how scummy their role is. People's reactions, though, are telling.

Ichi is Mr. OMGUS, as either town or scum.

[Witherweaver]

I (tentatively) don't think Faust is scum.. usually scum doesn't like to play a big coordinating role, and Faust's confidence that he should be the last one to claim and in directing the claiming is more likely from town, I think.