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[Ichimaru Gin]

So, you used all of your shots. Which means you're just an IC now, it doesn't matter if the cop enabler dies.

Exactly. So there's absolutely zero benefit in not claiming at this point--especially when I know for sure faust is scum.

PPE: 4

[silverspawn]

Pysco makes it so that they use it that night and all my results end up backwards

if that's true, it makes stuff even more complicated, because then no-one is 100% scum now.

[Teproc]

wait psyco isn't that just that night everything is wrong? I don't think they need to target anything

Does the psychoshot invert every investigative result or just on the person using it?

Using psychotrooper makes the Cop act as Insane, ie every result is reversed.

[silverspawn]

And correction, faust has of course claimed tracker. Which, if faust is scum, means there is most likely no tracker in the game.

[silverspawn]

wait psyco isn't that just that night everything is wrong? I don't think they need to target anything

Does the psychoshot invert every investigative result or just on the person using it?

Using psychotrooper makes the Cop act as Insane, ie every result is reversed.

I didn't know that! I always thought it was just on yourself.

So, that changes everything...

[Hydrad]

I think it might be faust/IG/XP.

SS really sounds towny and I don't think he was faking not knowing pysco.

Egork is IC. Seprix feels town.

I think the game is going to be decided on who's cop you guys listen too.

[silverspawn]

Sigh, okay. Let's look at the Cop Claims again

Hydrad:
Night 1: silverspawn
Night 2: TwistedArcher
Night 3: IchimaruGin (no result)

IchimaruGin:
Night 1: Joseph
Night 2: TwistedArcher (no result)
Night 3: faust

[Ichimaru Gin]

Not really. Hydrad and faust are still confirmed scum.

PPE: Yeah. Of course. If you are successful in mislynching me, you win the game. That's not going to happen though.

[silverspawn]

So, one thing which is certain is that scum used Psychotrooper Night 1. aside from that, if...

... Hydrad is telling the truth, IG is scum
... IG is telling the truth, Hydrad and faust are scum

[silverspawn]

Okay, so both of you should explain your targets please.

[Hydrad]

Okay, so both of you should explain your targets please.

I targetted you because your hard to read and I thought getting info on you would be good.

night 2 I targetted TA because I wanted someone who was likely to survive till day 3. He almost made it.

Night 3 I targetted IG because it felt like he would live through the night.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Joseph was obvious. I already thought he was super-scum based on his play--but then it seemed like a lot of people disagreed with me. I didn't have many other scumreads besides him at that point so felt another target would have been much more of a shot in the dark. Plus, I expected scum to use the Psychotrooper early.

TA. He was lurking and I am not really familiar with his playstyle at all.

faust. The way he acted towards the end of D3 gave me a really, really bad feeling about him--moreso than XP even.

[Hydrad]

IG you have way to much fun coming up with fake claim plans. Was this your idea or your teams idea?

[Ichimaru Gin]

IG you have way to much fun coming up with fake claim plans. Was this your idea or your teams idea?

Nice try scum. I'm not going to engage with you though.

[Hydrad]

Vote: Hydrad

?? if Hydrad is lying it means IG is not lying and you are scum. explain this vote please

I think this is huge.

We know faust is scum here. Why would he not go for IG?

would the team say that I should fake claim cop and then get jumped on intantly?

This feels like faust saw how close I was to being lynched and jumped on me for a fast win.

[Ichimaru Gin]

How do you oh town alignment cop know faust is scum?

Cause he's your partner. Yep.

[Hydrad]

How do you oh town alignment cop know faust is scum?

Cause he's your partner. Yep.

Through POE. and also the fact that if he was town he would of voted you since you lied about his role. Why would he go after me in that situation.

[Ichimaru Gin]

That is weird though. Whatever. You're using faust's vote on you to support your fakeclaim though, so it was probably planned ahead of time.

And it doesn't matter cause after you mislynch me you win the game.

[Hydrad]

IG did you give any hints while playing that you were the cop?

[Ichimaru Gin]

IG did you give any hints while playing that you were the cop?

Wow. Why would I? So you could nightkill me?

I've never hinted as a PR--and probably never will.

Plus you know your partner faust "hinted" at being a Tracker and that was obviously BS.

[silverspawn]

well, these are both pretty believable. I definitely need input from Egork here.

One of the things this means is that we should look at faust's claim again.

What does scum!faust know about chair's role? he knows that he's not a doctor or watcher or tracker. That leaves VT, Universal backup (= watcher), alignment cop, and possibly roleblocker.

This is what chairs said:

I'm not claiming.

So, scum!faust had to suspect that chairs was probably a PR, or at least that there was a reasonable chance. If he was, then he had to further expect him to counter claim, which would have proven that one of them is lying and scum. That's still a decent narrative. and, his play also makes sense for town.

so my conclusion for now is no conclusion. PPE 8

[silverspawn]

This feels like faust saw how close I was to being lynched and jumped on me for a fast win.

it does indeed look that way.

So, if IG is the cop, faust is scum. Why would he vote for Hydrad here?

That is weird though. Whatever. You're using faust's vote on you to support your fakeclaim though, so it was probably planned ahead of time.

Do you really think so? This day has been so chaotic.

[silverspawn]

There is, however, a problem with this theory

First I was voting for Hydrad (1) (which may have been bad play.) Then XP sheeped my vote (2). Then faust voted without any explanation (3).

If IG is scum, why didn't he quickhammer? Was he just too slow? Did I unvote just in time?

[silverspawn]

In both cases though, I think this makes faust look really bad.

[Hydrad]

There is, however, a problem with this theory

First I was voting for Hydrad (1) (which may have been bad play.) Then XP sheeped my vote (2). Then faust voted without any explanation (3).

If IG is scum, why didn't he quickhammer? Was he just too slow? Did I unvote just in time?

Wow ya a couple minutes later and we would of lost.

I think another point to me is how fast my wagon appeared. would scum bus their partner super fast if I was supposed to fake cop claim? That sounds like the worst idea ever.