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[Hydrad]

So this was his reads list.

I don't really have a scum read on Ichi.  I don't have a huge one on anyone else.  Currently the people I'd like to not lynch are:

Hydrad
Xerxes
Twisted Archer

Probably not Ichi, Faust, ADK, Seprix either. 

Vote: Silverspawn

Then after this near deadline he voted awaclus.

I didn't see anything that looked liked a PR slip so this makes my vote on SS even stronger.

[faust]

Well, that Awaclus wagon was weird. But I think he brought it on himself. Man, lying town is horrible.

I still don't believe in scum!Joseph. His last posts - "hey, lynching me isn't the worst thing ever" - don't read scummy to me. Now you can argue that Joseph is just being competent scum here, but I believe everyone on the Joseph wagon is arguing that he ISN'T competent scum, so there's that.

You were voting him before his lie, how can you justify his lynch that way when you were voting him beforehand?

I voted for him because his play annoyed me, and I didn't mind his lynch. It was not a super serious "I want to lynch Awaclus no matter what" vote. Had he claimed his real role, I (and many others) would certainly have switched/never voted for him in the first place.

[faust]

Well, that Awaclus wagon was weird. But I think he brought it on himself. Man, lying town is horrible.

I still don't believe in scum!Joseph. His last posts - "hey, lynching me isn't the worst thing ever" - don't read scummy to me. Now you can argue that Joseph is just being competent scum here, but I believe everyone on the Joseph wagon is arguing that he ISN'T competent scum, so there's that.

Whatever you want - I refuse to believe that wagon was towndriven, and that leaves me with you and silverspawn by POE.

vote: faust

Could you tell the rest of us people in the dark what brings you to this clairvoyant insight?

[faust]

Also WW night kill? That was unexpected.

He was the one who started awaclus right? So that would normally make him scummier since he was wrong. Plus he thought Joseph was town. So scum might be trying to mislynch Joseph? I dunno overall a weird night kill.

I'm going to quickly look and see if there are any other reads I can find.

How is the WW kill unexpected? Who did you expect to be killed?

[faust]

Town points for Ichi and Seprix by the way - I don't think their votes are good, but I also don't think that scum would be that quick to jump what seems to be the default lynch today.

[Joseph2302]

I think the important people to look at the moment are those on-wagon:

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, faust, silverspawn, Joseph2302, Egork, chairs

I'll post my thoughts later, I'm kind of busy with something else at the moment.

[Hydrad]

Also WW night kill? That was unexpected.

He was the one who started awaclus right? So that would normally make him scummier since he was wrong. Plus he thought Joseph was town. So scum might be trying to mislynch Joseph? I dunno overall a weird night kill.

I'm going to quickly look and see if there are any other reads I can find.

How is the WW kill unexpected? Who did you expect to be killed?

I don't know. Maybe someone off wagon who may have seemed townier as the were right?

WW just feels odd as I felt like he would undergo suspicion today for starting that wagon but then he got killed instead.

[Joseph2302]

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, faust, silverspawn, Joseph2302, Egork, chairs

So, here's my thoughts on these people:
WW- dead
Hydrad- thought Awaclus was better lynch than me (#490)
faust- voted Awaclus after Awaclus said he like his vote on me (#507). Bit of a null read, although if faust thinks I'm town, that's good, as he's 100% on reads on me.
silverspawn- joined the wagon because Awaclus voted for him. Makes sense a bit. #533 less so though
Joseph2302- me. I assumed he would lie, so assuming that it made sense for me to lynch him (#512/#514).
EgorK- IC
chairs- still don't know why he chose to hammer at that moment. I'm kind of suspicious about it. He only said that he found us both scummy, but could have put me on L-1 instead. After all, I'd implied that lynching me wasn't the worst.

Vote: chairs. not too sure on silverspawn though, I'm not convinced inconsistency is a town tell.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm still feeling vote: joseph

[Joseph2302]

I'm still feeling vote: joseph

This is L-2 I believe.

And again I'm going to say, I'm VT, so you need to weigh up considerations of lynching me vs lynching someone else. If I'm lynched, then assuming a NK, it'll be 6 town, 3 scum, which isn't super-good, but isn't terrible. If you lynch someone else, it could change this ratio to 7/2, which is really good, or 6/3 and an extra PR dead, which is worse.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm still feeling vote: joseph

This is L-2 I believe.

And again I'm going to say, I'm VT, so you need to weigh up considerations of lynching me vs lynching someone else. If I'm lynched, then assuming a NK, it'll be 6 town, 3 scum, which isn't super-good, but isn't terrible. If you lynch someone else, it could change this ratio to 7/2, which is really good, or 6/3 and an extra PR dead, which is worse.

Why would I be vote for you while making the assumption that you're town?

[Teproc]

Vote Count 2.2

Joseph2302 (3): Ichimaru Gin, Seprix, A Drowned Kernel
chairs (2): silverspawn, Joseph2302
silverspawn (1): Hydrad
faust (1): XerxesPraelor

Not Voting (4): Egork, faust, Twistedarcher, chairs

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends at 01:00 p.m. on February 21, 2015.

[Joseph2302]

I'm still feeling vote: joseph

This is L-2 I believe.

And again I'm going to say, I'm VT, so you need to weigh up considerations of lynching me vs lynching someone else. If I'm lynched, then assuming a NK, it'll be 6 town, 3 scum, which isn't super-good, but isn't terrible. If you lynch someone else, it could change this ratio to 7/2, which is really good, or 6/3 and an extra PR dead, which is worse.

Why would I be vote for you while making the assumption that you're town?

I guess you think I'm scummy.
But I'm VT, so I was listing the possibilities if we lynch me and I'm VT, compared to if we lynch someone else.

[Joseph2302]

I think hitting PR again here would be super-bad, but I want to hit scum more I think. Lynching me and having 6/3 split isn't very good, it's 1 step away from LYLO.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make here. That lynching town is bad? Yes, thank you. But I don't think that you're town.

[faust]

I think the important people to look at the moment are those on-wagon:

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, faust, silverspawn, Joseph2302, Egork, chairs

I'll post my thoughts later, I'm kind of busy with something else at the moment.

Why do you think that players on wagon are scummier?

[Joseph2302]

I think the important people to look at the moment are those on-wagon:

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, faust, silverspawn, Joseph2302, Egork, chairs

I'll post my thoughts later, I'm kind of busy with something else at the moment.

Why do you think that players on wagon are scummier?

I think that lynching Awaclus from basically nowhere was really weird. And weird can mean scummy. Like seriously, why Awaclus and not me? It looked for 6.5 days like I was dead, then suddenly I'm not.

[silverspawn]

I think the important people to look at the moment are those on-wagon:

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, faust, silverspawn, Joseph2302, Egork, chairs

I'll post my thoughts later, I'm kind of busy with something else at the moment.

Why do you think that players on wagon are scummier?

I think that lynching Awaclus from basically nowhere was really weird. And weird can mean scummy. Like seriously, why Awaclus and not me? It looked for 6.5 days like I was dead, then suddenly I'm not.

because the way you behaved under continuous pressure made me think you're not scum.

[Seprix]

I think hitting PR again here would be super-bad, but I want to hit scum more I think. Lynching me and having 6/3 split isn't very good, it's 1 step away from LYLO.

Ugh.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think that the "people who are on-wagon are scummier" argument only really makes sense if you think that joseph is scum, because it means that scum jumped on an alternate wagon to avoid a joseph lynch. So, we should lynch joseph.

[silverspawn]

yeah joseph's arguments make no sense

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean, it makes sense from the perspective that he's scum, which might be why he's making it. Because, you know, he's scum.

[Joseph2302]

I disagree it makes no sense, as we went from killing me (claimed VT) to killing PR, which is worse.
I looked on-lynch first because the lynch was weird, as it came from nowhere, especially since I implied I was okay with my own D1 lynch, because I was VT.
I haven't found much there very scummy, so at some point I'll look off-wagon as well.

PPE: 1

[silverspawn]

I mean, it makes sense from the perspective that he's scum, which might be why he's making it. Because, you know, he's scum.

does scum really talk so much... well, fluff?

[faust]

I disagree it makes no sense, as we went from killing me (claimed VT) to killing PR, which is worse.
I looked on-lynch first because the lynch was weird, as it came from nowhere, especially since I implied I was okay with my own D1 lynch, because I was VT.
I haven't found much there very scummy, so at some point I'll look off-wagon as well.

PPE: 1

You should note that we went from lynching you (claimed VT) to lynching Awaclus (claimed VT). There's really not a big difference. Noone (including scum) could know that Awaclus was lying.