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[XerxesPraelor]

vote: ADK

For trying to manipulate me to give him a town read. This is a serious but uncertain vote.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: ADK

For trying to manipulate me to give him a town read. This is a serious but uncertain vote.

I'm not sure I understand that. Where was I manipulating you?

[Teproc]

Vote Count 1.3:

Joseph2302 (4): chairs, Awaclus, Ichimaru Gin, A Drowned Kernel
Witherweaver (2): silverspawn, faust
A Drowned Kernel (2): Joseph2302, XerxesPraelor
chairs (1): Egork
silverspawn (1): Witherweaver
Twistedarcher (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (2): Seprix, Twistedarcher

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 12:00 a.m. on February 12, 2015.

[faust]

I somehow doubt Joseph would repeat his performance from his last scum game here if he really was scum. That said, the whole "I'm scum haha" thing is annoying. I understand Joseph; I feel like he's been a major suspect D1 in every game I played with him, whether deserved or not, that can be frustrating. I feel a bit more townish on him.

On the other hand, I don't think we can really blame people for jumping the wagon. It's a null tell for me.

[faust]

I don't want to make the mistake of hammering Joseph, because that's apparently a scum tell, but at the same time I'm pretty skeptical here. He could be scum, and pulling a neat trick. I don't think I will vote for Joseph yet without more reason, but if you're going to be dumb enough to admit to being scum, you should be lynched.

This makes me think Seprix is town. I don't think scum would talk that openly about trying to avoid a scum tell.

[EgorK]

Carry on. I still need to think about this

[Joseph2302]

Ah, well that's a good point.  Though not 100% convincing.  I've done things as town that I've done before as scum specifically to protect myself against potential arguments like that in the future.

I somehow doubt Joseph would repeat his performance from his last scum game here if he really was scum. That said, the whole "I'm scum haha" thing is annoying. I understand Joseph; I feel like he's been a major suspect D1 in every game I played with him, whether deserved or not, that can be frustrating. I feel a bit more townish on him.

On the other hand, I don't think we can really blame people for jumping the wagon. It's a null tell for me.

I agree with all of this, I've been accused of scum early in every game I've played, and claiming scum doesn't actually tell much, since it could be considered towny or scummy. Actually, I do think wagons are good, and my wagon does kind of makes sense, and isn't really at all dangerous, so Unvote: ADK. If I wanted to vote for someone as an OMGUS, then I have 4 people to vote for, and none of them have actually been scummy.

[Joseph2302]

Also, I like getting us out of RVS, and it kind of feels that doing this achieves that aim, so it's not all bad.

[XerxesPraelor]

vote: ADK

For trying to manipulate me to give him a town read. This is a serious but uncertain vote.

I'm not sure I understand that. Where was I manipulating you?

I gave Awalcus town points for somethings, then you immediately did the exact same things (voting me, encouraging scumhunting)

[Awaclus]

claiming scum doesn't actually tell much, since it could be considered towny or scummy.

I don't see how it can be considered towny.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: ADK

For trying to manipulate me to give him a town read. This is a serious but uncertain vote.

I'm not sure I understand that. Where was I manipulating you?

I gave Awalcus town points for somethings, then you immediately did the exact same things (voting me, encouraging scumhunting)

Man, I was scumhunting before you even posted. It's not all about you.

[Witherweaver]

vote: ADK

For trying to manipulate me to give him a town read. This is a serious but uncertain vote.

I'm not sure I understand that. Where was I manipulating you?

I gave Awalcus town points for somethings, then you immediately did the exact same things (voting me, encouraging scumhunting)

Man, I was scumhunting before you even posted. It's not all about you.

ADK was scumhunting before it was cool.

Town read on XP.

[Twistedarcher]

Also, I like getting us out of RVS, and it kind of feels that doing this achieves that aim, so it's not all bad.

Can you answer 139, please?

[Joseph2302]

Also, I like getting us out of RVS, and it kind of feels that doing this achieves that aim, so it's not all bad.

Can you answer 139, please?

Yes, I can.

Do you,
A) Think that it's a scum move from ADK, rather than a town one? If yes, please explain why.
B) If you think it's a scum move, why do you think it benefits him to push your wagon this early? It's obviously a pretty flimsy wagon that you're not getting lynched on for the time being.

A) I think it could be a scum move, or equally legitimately a town move. I mean wagons are good until the point they're really bad, when someone is on L-1, like last time I played. I don't think it was necessary as town to push me to L-2 after about 7 hours of gametime, this would is a tiny bit scummy to me.
B) Because if he stays on 1 wagon and pushes it, this is generally seen as more towny than jumping between wagons, even in RVS stage of the game.

Actually, I do think wagons are good, and my wagon does kind of makes sense, and isn't really at all dangerous, so Unvote: ADK. If I wanted to vote for someone as an OMGUS, then I have 4 people to vote for, and none of them have actually been scummy.

So I've basically decided this reasoning wasn't great, hence my unvote.

[XerxesPraelor]

It's definitely not a viable wagon, but it could turn into one from people going "well, my vote wasn't that serious, but looking at his reaction, I'm happy with my vote." And then since joseph is a relatively easy lynch scum could go along with it without looking scummy.

[Witherweaver]

It's definitely not a viable wagon, but it could turn into one from people going "well, my vote wasn't that serious, but looking at his reaction, I'm happy with my vote." And then since joseph is a relatively easy lynch scum could go along with it without looking scummy.

I agree with this point.  However, as Joseph is a viable mislynch, I don't see a big reason for scum to jump on it right away.  They may as well wait; they don't really need to do any work here.

I don't have any feeling one way or another towards Joseph.

[silverspawn]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

[Joseph2302]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

I've been lynched twice, and both times as scum. I was town in M53, and survived somehow. But this time it's different, I'm not scum. But so far, Day 1 has been pretty much the same as last game.

Let's discuss other possibilities for scum people.

[silverspawn]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

I've been lynched twice, and both times as scum. I was town in M53, and survived somehow. But this time it's different, I'm not scum. But so far, Day 1 has been pretty much the same as last game.

Let's discuss other possibilities for scum people.

if you tell me the names of your partners, we can discuss them.

[Joseph2302]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

I've been lynched twice, and both times as scum. I was town in M53, and survived somehow. But this time it's different, I'm not scum. But so far, Day 1 has been pretty much the same as last game.

Let's discuss other possibilities for scum people.

if you tell me the names of your partners, we can discuss them.

Okay, one of them is you.

[Seprix]

Ah, well that's a good point.  Though not 100% convincing.  I've done things as town that I've done before as scum specifically to protect myself against potential arguments like that in the future.

I somehow doubt Joseph would repeat his performance from his last scum game here if he really was scum. That said, the whole "I'm scum haha" thing is annoying. I understand Joseph; I feel like he's been a major suspect D1 in every game I played with him, whether deserved or not, that can be frustrating. I feel a bit more townish on him.

On the other hand, I don't think we can really blame people for jumping the wagon. It's a null tell for me.

I agree with all of this, I've been accused of scum early in every game I've played, and claiming scum doesn't actually tell much, since it could be considered towny or scummy. Actually, I do think wagons are good, and my wagon does kind of makes sense, and isn't really at all dangerous, so Unvote: ADK. If I wanted to vote for someone as an OMGUS, then I have 4 people to vote for, and none of them have actually been scummy.

I thought wagons were bad?

[silverspawn]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

I've been lynched twice, and both times as scum. I was town in M53, and survived somehow. But this time it's different, I'm not scum. But so far, Day 1 has been pretty much the same as last game.

Let's discuss other possibilities for scum people.

if you tell me the names of your partners, we can discuss them.

Okay, one of them is you.

lying isn't good. try something else.

[Joseph2302]

is joseph even that easy of a mislynch? I think most of the time when we lynched him he was scum.

I've been lynched twice, and both times as scum. I was town in M53, and survived somehow. But this time it's different, I'm not scum. But so far, Day 1 has been pretty much the same as last game.

Let's discuss other possibilities for scum people.

if you tell me the names of your partners, we can discuss them.

Okay, one of them is you.

lying isn't good. try something else.

Let me check the Mafia QT, I haven't read who my scum partners are.

No seriously, who do people think are scummy, other than me? Because I don't want us ending up like last game I played (M56?), where everyone wanted to lynch me, then didn't, and the last 24 hours was chaotic, and loads of people claimed PRs, which could only have helped scum.

[silverspawn]

well, WW is probably scum.

[Awaclus]

Let me check the Mafia QT, I haven't read who my scum partners are.

No seriously, who do people think are scummy, other than me? Because I don't want us ending up like last game I played (M56?), where everyone wanted to lynch me, then didn't, and the last 24 hours was chaotic, and loads of people claimed PRs, which could only have helped scum.

Well that's because you claimed PR when you weren't one.

But in any case, I think XP has been scummy, but not too much. Anyone else doesn't really stand out in a scummy way to me.