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[Jimmmmm]

ash you are being ridiculous.

I have never attacked you personally, and it's highly unlikely I ever will. Accusing me of doing so when I haven't is not okay, and is explicitly in violation of the civility pledge.

To everyone else, I'm sorry for my part in this mostly unhelpful argument. silver is scum, let's just lynch him already.

[jotheonah]

Maybe it would be helpful for everyone to make a most want to lynch to least want to lynch list?

I think mine goes: Ichi-Silver-Eevee-Jimmmmm-ash-faust-WW-me

[Jimmmmm]

silver-ash-witherweaver/faust-Eevee-Ichi

[jotheonah]

Silver and Ichi on opposite ends? that is a high degree of certainty in the central debate.

[Witherweaver]

PRs: Ichi > Silver > Jimmmm

VTs: Eevee > Faust > Ash

Joth is conf!Town and I'm Town.

Ichi slightly above Silver, but I keep going back and forth.  Ichi is a read.. Silver reads as misguided Town and not scum.  Ichi reads as scum.  Ichi's posts do not seem to come from the perspective that someone in his position should.. i.e., someone that actually has more information than we all do, because he really has a PR.  Jimmmm's arguments make sense, but I don't think Ichi making a mistake is that unlikely at all.

Of course, if Ich is scum there is an SK somewhere.  My bet is Eevee or Ash. 

I think I asked this before but didn't get a response.  Would SK claim a PR in this setup?  Here they actually can use the ability, at least once, so maybe they're thinking they can look like they confirm their claim.

[Witherweaver]

silver-ash-witherweaver/faust-Eevee-Ichi

Why is Eevee so low?

[silverspawn]

silver-ash-witherweaver/faust-Eevee-Ichi

this is ridiculous and it makes me want to lynch you over Ichi again.

to clarify, me first is fine. ash second is not. eevee second last is insane. Ichi last too.

[Witherweaver]

silver-ash-witherweaver/faust-Eevee-Ichi

this is ridiculous and it makes me want to lynch you over Ichi again.

to clarify, me first is fine. ash second is not. eevee second last is insane. Ichi last too.

This (that is, the Eevee thing) is still not justified.  And you and Ichi can't be scum together, so the more certain he is about one, the more certain he is about the other.  So that part isn't so bad.

Though, I agree Eevee below all the other VT claims is odd.

[silverspawn]

well right now there are a number of arguments for both jimmmm and Ichi, from my perspective

pro Jimmm:
-> he's probably better at scum than Ichi, and I don't like how he's suddenly not even in the lynch pool. it makes me scared. I don't know how common it is that he's so active, but I feel like people just don't want to lynch him based on that
-> him trying to defend ichi so much is just plain weird. I used to give him town cred for that, but by now, it almost seems like he isn't concerned about his lynch anyway, and just wants to kill me instead of Ichi. Why? even if we assume that Ichi has thought so far that his argument makes sense, his claim is still just as good as mine.
-> I don't like the way he plays at all. I'd feel much more comfortable if he's not around anymore. I also think ash is clearly in the right in their discussion about manners and policy
-> He seems very set on lynching me, if he is kept alive, that could mean trouble.

pro Ichi:
-> ash's analysis
-> his day1
-> self-preservation

Objectively, I should stay on Ichi, and I think that's what I'll do. but I feel really bad about it.

[silverspawn]

oh and, if Ichi flips scum, I am an IC, right? that'd be nice.

[Witherweaver]

well right now there are a number of arguments for both jimmmm and Ichi, from my perspective

pro Jimmm:
-> he's probably better at scum than Ichi, and I don't like how he's suddenly not even in the lynch pool. it makes me scared. I don't know how common it is that he's so active, but I feel like people just don't want to lynch him based on that
-> him trying to defend ichi so much is just plain weird. I used to give him town cred for that, but by now, it almost seems like he isn't concerned about his lynch anyway, and just wants to kill me instead of Ichi. Why? even if we assume that Ichi has thought so far that his argument makes sense, his claim is still just as good as mine.
-> I don't like the way he plays at all. I'd feel much more comfortable if he's not around anymore. I also think ash is clearly in the right in their discussion about manners and policy
-> He seems very set on lynching me, if he is kept alive, that could mean trouble.

pro Ichi:
-> ash's analysis
-> his day1
-> self-preservation

Objectively, I should stay on Ichi, and I think that's what I'll do. but I feel really bad about it.

But does "weird" mean scummy?  What's his motivation for this as scum?

[silverspawn]

I don't know?

[silverspawn]

what is his motivation as town to push my lynch like this? why would he misread me so much, when I'm apparently not hard to read? I've never been mislynched, and in my only scum game that's over, I've been figured out pretty quickly. Am I supposed to just buy that?

[Witherweaver]

what is his motivation as town to push my lynch like this? why would he misread me so much, when I'm apparently not hard to read? I've never been mislynched, and in my only scum game that's over, I've been figured out pretty quickly. Am I supposed to just buy that?

He has an argument.

[Jimmmmm]

-> I don't like the way he plays at all. I'd feel much more comfortable if he's not around anymore.

What do you mean by that?

I also think ash is clearly in the right in their discussion about manners and policy

What do you mean by that?? How have I been personal with ash? Does anyone else think that ash is right and I've personally attacked him?

[Ichimaru Gin]

I don't recall anything that I felt was a personal attack that you made against Ash.

Earlier in this game, I felt personally attacked by silver--and apparently he felt the same by me or that one of my posts was "I don't like you because you lied".

Really though, I think that everyone should pay the most attention to the portion of the civility pledge that you quoted about not choosing to interpret things as personal attacks.

[Jimmmmm]

Thank you.

[Witherweaver]

-> I don't like the way he plays at all. I'd feel much more comfortable if he's not around anymore.

What do you mean by that?

I also think ash is clearly in the right in their discussion about manners and policy

What do you mean by that?? How have I been personal with ash? Does anyone else think that ash is right and I've personally attacked him?

No, and I don't think it's worth talking about more. (Well, okay, your "Wrong." is a bit abrasive, but eh.)

HOWEVER, I forgot to bring this up earlier: I don't think this is a scumtell for Ash. He's said very similar things and acted very similarly as Town. 

Do you have another reason for suspecting him?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Objectively, I should stay on Ichi, and I think that's what I'll do. but I feel really bad about it.

Could you elaborate on the bolded part?
I'm not opposed to an Eevee lynch today either.

Also,

Am I the goon who knowingly destroyed my partner hydrad?  You know I never bus, ever.  Am I the unluckiest traitor alive?  Did I bus the goon I knew was my partner?

One question though: Do you deliberately leave out an option here?

Yep.

Is this Ash softclaiming SK?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Addendum: Or am I missing something in this cryptic exchange between Ash and WW?

[Ichimaru Gin]

*Ash and faust

[jotheonah]

it definitely seemed like ash was softclaiming SK, which is pretty weird.

[Eevee]

Some of the things silver say feel so self-serving to me, like he doesn't really think them but is saying them because they help his position, but it's very possible that's just us thinking about the game differently. I find the argument between Jimmm and ash weird, I thought Jimm's initial comments that spurred it were quite reasonable, so I was surprised both sides got heated like that.

Anyways, I still want to lynch Ichi. If we have a serial killer, finding him is of course tough because scumhunting doesn't help as he was looking for mafia just the same as us townies.

[ashersky]

oh and, if Ichi flips scum, I am an IC, right? that'd be nice.

When any one PR claim flips scum, the other three are ICs.

That's another good reason to lynch amongst PRs.

[silverspawn]

Could you elaborate on the bolded part?

it basically means, I really dislike what jimmm is doing, and everything in me says "LYNCH HIM!", but that should not be what my decision is based on.