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[faust]

this pairing?

6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer

that's not possible, because it has a SK. unless you are telling me that we have 1-kill and 0-kill with a SK in the setup

Well, unlikely, I guess, but with JK, Roleblocker, 1-shot BP Serial Killer in the setup, it's not out of the question.

[silverspawn]

this pairing?

6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer

that's not possible, because it has a SK. unless you are telling me that we have 1-kill and 0-kill with a SK in the setup

Well, unlikely, I guess, but with JK, Roleblocker, 1-shot BP Serial Killer in the setup, it's not out of the question.

It doesn't matter. Do what I say, if one town dies, lynch me. That was, 2 mislynches are impossible.

[silverspawn]

*that way

[faust]

this pairing?

6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer

that's not possible, because it has a SK. unless you are telling me that we have 1-kill and 0-kill with a SK in the setup

Well, unlikely, I guess, but with JK, Roleblocker, 1-shot BP Serial Killer in the setup, it's not out of the question.

It doesn't matter. Do what I say, if one town dies, lynch me. That was, 2 mislynches are impossible.

But of course you know we still have to lynch your partner. I would much rather lynch scum immediately. Plus, if you really were town, you would never agree to this plan, because it's how town loses.

[silverspawn]

Let me remind you that Eevee is buddying me pretty hard. ash is suspecting Eevee. Noone has suspected me day3 really, only based on the fact that you thought scum was among the VT's. I made a case against hydrad as early as day 1, who flipped scum. I was on the Hydrad wagon.

Even as scum, this plan is pro town. You get rid of me tomorrow, and you make 2 IC's in the process.

[silverspawn]

Plus, if you really were town, you would never agree to this plan, because it's how town loses.

I'm not agreeing to this plan, I am proposing it. This plan is how we will win the game.

[faust]

Okay, with some consideration, here is the ultimate claiming plan. This depends on whether we even want to claim - there are reasonable arguments to be made against claiming, I think - but if we claim, this is how we should do it:

1. Everyone with a role out of {Watcher, 1-shot BP, Goon Cop, Bodyguard} claims. If contradictions arise form this, we stop. If someone claimed, go to 2, if not, go to 3.

2. Anyone who can contradict the claimant claims. If noone does, massclaim, and we'll get two contradicting claims. We lynch one of them. Stop here.

3. The Detective claims. Why is that? Because at this point, we know that if Ichi tels the truth, there must be a Detective in the setup. If someone claims (and noone counterclaims), he's IC (either Ichi tells the truth, then there must be a Detective, there is only one; or Ichi lies, well then Ichi lies, and everyone else tells the truth). If noone claims, we lynch Ichi.

4. If this all didn't lead to anything, the rest does not need to claim, because it won't give us much further information. We lynch among Ichi and whoever didn't claim Detective.

[faust]

Plus, if you really were town, you would never agree to this plan, because it's how town loses.

I'm not agreeing to this plan, I am proposing it. This plan is how we will win the game.

If we mislynch today, and lynch you tomorrow (assuming you are town), do you agree that scum will have won after you are lynched? (Barring JK and other stuff)

[silverspawn]

yea that's not happpening. this is how we do it:

1. Jimmmm claims. If he claims my role, we lynch him. If he claims Ichi's role, we lynch him. If he claims Joth's role, we lynch one of them. If none of that happens, we continue

2. joth claims.

3. I claim.

4. We now have 2 contradicting claims. We lynch one of them (not me). Every other PR is now an IC

[silverspawn]

If we mislynch today, and lynch you tomorrow (assuming you are town), do you agree that scum will have won after you are lynched? (Barring JK and other stuff)

that won't happen

[jotheonah]

I like faust's plan. I think silverspawn sacrificed his right to call the shots when he lied day 1.

[silverspawn]

If we follow my plan, there is only one way that we can mislynch, which is if 2 other players claim contradicting roles, and in that case, I am an IC, and you can't lynch me.

[faust]

yea that's not happpening. this is how we do it:

1. Jimmmm claims. If he claims my role, we lynch him. If he claims Ichi's role, we lynch him. If he claims Joth's role, we lynch one of them. If none of that happens, we continue

2. joth claims.

3. I claim.

4. We now have 2 contradicting claims. We lynch one of them (not me). Every other PR is now an IC

You cannot guarantee that we will get two contradicting claim through that process.

[jotheonah]

Because, see, now he's not trustworthy.

[silverspawn]

I like faust's plan. I think silverspawn sacrificed his right to call the shots when he lied day 1.

look, it doesn't matter if you think I'm full of crap. My plan is good for town, regardless of my alignment.

plus, I am a PR, I am alive day3, where's the problem with my claim.

You cannot guarantee that we will get two contradicting claim through that process.

There is no SK.

[silverspawn]

but FINE, let me study faust's plan. I see if there is any way it backfires. If not, we can do that too, even though it's really just complicating things.

[jotheonah]

where's the problem with my claim.

The problem is that you have now admitted to lying and I have no reason to trust you.

[silverspawn]

but FINE, let me study faust's plan. I see if there is any way it backfires. If not, we can do that too, even though it's really just complicating things.

I'm about 95% sure that it can't backfire. so - alright. we can do that.

[silverspawn]

where's the problem with my claim.

The problem is that you have now admitted to lying and I have no reason to trust you.

you can thank me for winning after the game

[faust]

I forgot about this, again:

- The SK may choose to give up NK and instead perform any one of the 8 town roles listed above during the night. Each role may only be used once by the Sk during the game.

Makes it more likely that we have a SK who for some reason decided against killing.

[silverspawn]

I forgot about this, again:

- The SK may choose to give up NK and instead perform any one of the 8 town roles listed above during the night. Each role may only be used once by the Sk during the game.

Makes it more likely that we have a SK who for some reason decided against killing.

your plan accounts for that, so it doesn't matter.

okay

Does anyone not want to follow faust's plan? If so, he should say it and explain why.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Boy did I so see this coming.

What was your reason for claiming VT?

I don't think I want to answer that.

Why not? This seems an incredibly odd response if you're really a VT.
It sounds much more like you're lying (as town or scum).

And people thought that post of mine was scummy. That's kind of annoying.

I'm fine with following faust's plan. I've already claimed, and whoever else claiming is just going to confirm me or out scum (though they may have already been outed).

[faust]

Boy did I so see this coming.

What was your reason for claiming VT?

I don't think I want to answer that.

Why not? This seems an incredibly odd response if you're really a VT.
It sounds much more like you're lying (as town or scum).

And people thought that post of mine was scummy. That's kind of annoying.

I'm fine with following faust's plan. I've already claimed, and whoever else claiming is just going to confirm me or out scum (though they may have already been outed).

Well, to be fair, that post is still scummy even though you were right.

[Witherweaver]

I actually kind of doubt Silver is lying.  But, I agree that he forfeited his right to direct things when he lied.

[faust]

I actually kind of doubt Silver is lying.  But, I agree that he forfeited his right to direct things when he lied.

You mean you think silver is town? Yeah... his reaction to the pressure does not look particularly scummy.