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[Robz888]

I'm pretty sure Azadin is town, Robz...

Noted.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Robz heads off to the graveyard with a noose, whistling to himself.

[silverspawn]

I thought it was time for a change, though the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative...

sorry

I'll ask everyone who wants to lynch me to reread my d1 first.

[XerxesPraelor]

Yeah, I'm scared of a Voltaire/Ash scumteam, or less likelily, an ash/robz one. Wouldn't that be something to deal with?

PPE: will do

[Ichimaru Gin]

I thought it was time for a change, though the reaction has been overwhelmingly negative...

sorry

I'll ask everyone who wants to lynch me to reread my d1 first.

I still want to lynch Hydrad over you at this point.

[Twistedarcher]

Vote Count 2.4

Hydrad (3): Ichimaru Gin, Silverspawn, Witherweaver
silverspawn (1): ashersky
ashersky (2): XerxesPraelor, EgorK

Not Voting (5): pacovf, Hydrad, Robz888, Voltaire, Teproc


With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends September 28 at noon.

[EgorK]

Strange question: Dany would be my pick to be King (Queen) when Targ is in charge. But that's XP's flavor.

Targ, do you have any idea who will be the NPC King if you gain the most members?

I would actually think Dany would be queen as well. With that automatic Hand it makes sence

PPE: couple of pages

[EgorK]

It irks me a little bit that people don't see me as town yet, but whatever. My actions speak for themselves.

I think you're town and I think you should be strongly town, but not obv!town. So ~80% town, which is pretty good.

You do understand that 80% town is scummier than average assuming 3 scum at start?

[EgorK]

Quick unvote, thoughts to follow

[EgorK]

Are you going to do this, silver?

you receive result as realm aligned or mafia. i thought that was clear.

I would defenately think other result would be "Grejoy alligned", but as ash reports same result - oh well

[EgorK]

I think silver 100500% more scummier than Hydrad. I think Hydrad should repost his D2 posts from bar qt here

vote: silver

[Witherweaver]

Okay, stupid me just actually looked up what Jailkeeper is.  I had had it confused with the uh.. scum role that hides flips, that Teproc was in Monster's U.. Janitor?

So maybe people discussed this.. but why have a Jailkeeper on Mafia team unless there is another killing faction, or a chance for it?  Why not just make it a Roleblocker?

Or maybe it gives them the option to claim something townie for town cred.

[EgorK]

Okay, stupid me just actually looked up what Jailkeeper is.  I had had it confused with the uh.. scum role that hides flips, that Teproc was in Monster's U.. Janitor?

So maybe people discussed this.. but why have a Jailkeeper on Mafia team unless there is another killing faction, or a chance for it?  Why not just make it a Roleblocker?

Or maybe it gives them the option to claim something townie for town cred.

I think for mafia it is just weaker version of roleblocker - like you cannot roleblock and kill someone

[Witherweaver]

Okay, stupid me just actually looked up what Jailkeeper is.  I had had it confused with the uh.. scum role that hides flips, that Teproc was in Monster's U.. Janitor?

So maybe people discussed this.. but why have a Jailkeeper on Mafia team unless there is another killing faction, or a chance for it?  Why not just make it a Roleblocker?

Or maybe it gives them the option to claim something townie for town cred.

I think for mafia it is just weaker version of roleblocker - like you cannot roleblock and kill someone

Well I guess that's a good point, but how often do you want to Roleblock and kill your target?  Maybe if they can commute or something.

[Ichimaru Gin]

It irks me a little bit that people don't see me as town yet, but whatever. My actions speak for themselves.

I think you're town and I think you should be strongly town, but not obv!town. So ~80% town, which is pretty good.

You do understand that 80% town is scummier than average assuming 3 scum at start?

I can't even begin to list all of the things wrong with this statement.
Whatever, it's an empty point anyway.

You voting for silver makes me feel better about lynching Hydrad today.

Also, I probably won't be back for a while.

[pacovf]

Hey, I'm back!

First thing first, huge kudos to Faust for the flavour. Amazing work!

Second thing, what's up with the avatar stravaganza? I was already pretty shaken when blueblimp revealed that he was a girl after he shaved those glorious sideburns of his, now all these changes are leaving me confused and lost.

Third thing (and the only one that is actually relevant), I haven't had time to reread D1 since the flip(s), and I've only skimmed D2 while I was away (25 pages?), so I will need some time to give reasoned thoughts about all the stuff that has been happening. Specifically, I have to revise my reads after all the claiming. You will probably have to wait until tonight, sorry.

[Robz888]

Okay, stupid me just actually looked up what Jailkeeper is.  I had had it confused with the uh.. scum role that hides flips, that Teproc was in Monster's U.. Janitor?

So maybe people discussed this.. but why have a Jailkeeper on Mafia team unless there is another killing faction, or a chance for it?  Why not just make it a Roleblocker?

Or maybe it gives them the option to claim something townie for town cred.

I think for mafia it is just weaker version of roleblocker - like you cannot roleblock and kill someone

Well I guess that's a good point, but how often do you want to Roleblock and kill your target?  Maybe if they can commute or something.

Actually being a Jailkeeper makes it easier for scum to claim Jailkeeper, though, which is often a town role, so it could be good for them that way. Also, given the Baratheon death-to-all power, it could be used defensively. Otherwise I would agree with you that it suggests an SK, at least.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, stupid me just actually looked up what Jailkeeper is.  I had had it confused with the uh.. scum role that hides flips, that Teproc was in Monster's U.. Janitor?

So maybe people discussed this.. but why have a Jailkeeper on Mafia team unless there is another killing faction, or a chance for it?  Why not just make it a Roleblocker?

Or maybe it gives them the option to claim something townie for town cred.

I think for mafia it is just weaker version of roleblocker - like you cannot roleblock and kill someone

Well I guess that's a good point, but how often do you want to Roleblock and kill your target?  Maybe if they can commute or something.

Actually being a Jailkeeper makes it easier for scum to claim Jailkeeper, though, which is often a town role, so it could be good for them that way. Also, given the Baratheon death-to-all power, it could be used defensively. Otherwise I would agree with you that it suggests an SK, at least.

Oh yeah, good point with the Baratheon power.

[Witherweaver]

But like I said before, the problem with an SK is that, if there were an SK, investigators would get "Realm-Aligned" or "Not Realm-Aligned", or "Mafia" or "Not Mafia"; not "Realm-Aligned" or "Mafia".

[pacovf]

I think I can answer this now, though: given all the claimed investigative roles around (more on that when I finish my reread), a jailkeeper has two chances to "roleblock" an investigation: if it targets the investigator, and if it targets the investigated. And there is no way to tell which of the two happened, right?

Plus, haven't we reached the conclusion that there is only one mafia faction? From the setup information, investigative roles, and the way PPS alignment is worded?

PPE 1

[Witherweaver]

Both Ash and Silverspawn could be lying.

[Teproc]

I think I can answer this now, though: given all the claimed investigative roles around (more on that when I finish my reread), a jailkeeper has two chances to "roleblock" an investigation: if it targets the investigator, and if it targets the investigated. And there is no way to tell which of the two happened, right?

That's a variant of the Jailkeeper, most jailkeepers, at least on f.ds, don't do that.

[EgorK]

It irks me a little bit that people don't see me as town yet, but whatever. My actions speak for themselves.

I think you're town and I think you should be strongly town, but not obv!town. So ~80% town, which is pretty good.

You do understand that 80% town is scummier than average assuming 3 scum at start?

I can't even begin to list all of the things wrong with this statement.
Whatever, it's an empty point anyway.

You voting for silver makes me feel better about lynching Hydrad today.

Also, I probably won't be back for a while.

Sorry, I didn't get that update on math where 2/11 became more than 1 - 8/10

[Voltaire]

I think I can answer this now, though: given all the claimed investigative roles around (more on that when I finish my reread), a jailkeeper has two chances to "roleblock" an investigation: if it targets the investigator, and if it targets the investigated. And there is no way to tell which of the two happened, right?

That's a variant of the Jailkeeper, most jailkeepers, at least on f.ds, don't do that.

Correct. When I used that kind of jailkeeper in one of my games, I called it an Alien Jailkeeper (just 'cause that's what the wiki says) and made it clear it was different in the PM.

I currently see no evidence we're facing 2 factions whatsoever.

[Voltaire]

Sorry, I didn't get that update on math where 2/11 became more than 1 - 8/10

My stupid number aside, my point is that IG is town. Are you debating that actual point?