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[silverspawn]

voltaire, i'm curious, why did you buddy me so much?

[liopoil]

Kingzog played pretty well for his first game, especially as scum!

[Eevee]

liopoil subbing in helped you guys a lot too. that was the moment when I was like "we're screwed"

For sure.

[Eevee]

Kingzog played pretty well for his first game, especially as scum!

This is true too. Hopefully we'll see you in more games very soon!

[Voltaire]

voltaire, i'm curious, why did you buddy me so much?

You slipped you were a PR, and that's absolutely what I would do as town (and I have indeed done this in previous games). I PR hunt when I'm town, under the philosophy of, more info is good for town. I don't point it out publicly unless it needs to be said.

[silverspawn]

I didn't PR slip though. when I made that post, I had forgotten that I was a PR.

[Eevee]

silverspawn also played and awesome game for a newer addition. really really good.

[Voltaire]

I didn't PR slip though. when I made that post, I had forgotten that I was a PR.

Well that doesn't change what I did based on what I thought, so my answer doesn't change.

[silverspawn]

I didn't PR slip though. when I made that post, I had forgotten that I was a PR.

Well that doesn't change what I did based on what I thought, so my answer doesn't change.

yea, true.

do you think your day1 play should change in any way if you're a PR / a VT? assuming you don't have to claim.

[Robz888]

GG

Vigs shouldn't shoot.

That is all.

[Witherweaver]

GG

Vigs shouldn't shoot.

That is all.

Haha

[Hydrad]

GG

Vigs shouldn't shoot.

That is all.

I'm sorry. I ddin't really want to but it was more for them believing me then anything

[Voltaire]

do you think your day1 play should change in any way if you're a PR / a VT? assuming you don't have to claim.

Theoretically no, because then you're slipping that you're a PR or VT based on how you're behaving.

In reality, depending on the PR, a different playstyle might make sense, but in my opinion it's usually too difficult to pass off. Also, you'll probably just confuse town and mislynch you, because town sees someone playing differently and goes "OMG scum!" not "OMG that's our cop!" Also, if town goes "OMG that's our cop!" then mafia just kills you and well that went terribly.

[Teproc]

Theoretically VTs should try to make scum think they're PRs and PRs should try to make scum think they're VTs.

The problem is that making people think you're town is much more important than either of those, so it gets lost in the shuffle. If trying to look like a PR gets you mislynched, it obviously wasn't worth it.

[KingZog3]

Well that was fun. The pace got really fast by the end, and I didn't realize I wouldn't have a lot of tie to reread and keep up at the same time. I knew I had a newbie feel to me, and I was trying to use that as an advantage. I feel like it helped a bit, but there was just no way I'd ever make long enough to win. There was no SK for sure, and since it's just a matter of lynching the VT's before I kill everyone, there wasn't a realistic way for me to win. Eevee kill I thought would 1) be fun to see what happens and 2) create confusion as to why a scum hiding as VT would kill his lifeline. It seemed to almost work? I mean, silverspawn was hesitant for a bit, and there was doubts that maybe WW could be scum.

Also, Eevee saying I was Voltaire's scum buddy because of the post I made saying we lynch a VT as opposed to him was funny to me, since I actually posted that and by the time I pressed post the conversation had moved on and it seemed really scummy.

Also, why is liopoil in the spectator QT? Did we all have access to it?

[Witherweaver]

Well that was fun. The pace got really fast by the end, and I didn't realize I wouldn't have a lot of tie to reread and keep up at the same time. I knew I had a newbie feel to me, and I was trying to use that as an advantage. I feel like it helped a bit, but there was just no way I'd ever make long enough to win. There was no SK for sure, and since it's just a matter of lynching the VT's before I kill everyone, there wasn't a realistic way for me to win. Eevee kill I thought would 1) be fun to see what happens and 2) create confusion as to why a scum hiding as VT would kill his lifeline. It seemed to almost work? I mean, silverspawn was hesitant for a bit, and there was doubts that maybe WW could be scum.

Also, Eevee saying I was Voltaire's scum buddy because of the post I made saying we lynch a VT as opposed to him was funny to me, since I actually posted that and by the time I pressed post the conversation had moved on and it seemed really scummy.

Also, why is liopoil in the spectator QT? Did we all have access to it?

He subbed in.  Once he was in a new QT was created.

[KingZog3]

Nevermind, I just read why the new thread was created. Still, I don't think someone who has been reading a bunch of other people's analysis is a good person to sub in a game. Not because he played well and seemed really towny the whole time, but he's had possible insight that we don't have access too.

[Voltaire]

Subs are never ideal, but since the alternative is, never have a speccy thread, or abandon games if they need a sub, we make the best of this imperfect world.

[KingZog3]

Also, were you excited by my playing archtype? You said you were excited to see me in action, so I hope I didn't disappoint.

[sudgy]

Nevermind, I just read why the new thread was created. Still, I don't think someone who has been reading a bunch of other people's analysis is a good person to sub in a game. Not because he played well and seemed really towny the whole time, but he's had possible insight that we don't have access too.

The rules say that only someone from the speccy can sub in D1.

[Archetype]

Also, were you excited by my playing archtype? You said you were excited to see me in action, so I hope I didn't disappoint.

Yes! You did very well...much better than I did my first - especially as scum! Hoped you enjoyed it enough to sign up for another game.

I don't think it's possible to create a totally spoiler-free speccy, but I think the benefits of having a speccy out weigh the problems of having someone from it sub in and so I think we should allow it. Of course, having someone who doesn't have access to the speccy sub in is much more optimal.

[Archetype]

Thank you to Archetype for helping out when I got too busy a couple times. And thank you to everyone for making my first game as a mod a success! Wooo!

Sorry that I wasn't around as much! Life got really busy really fast.

[jotheonah]

I forgot how hard being scum is! Plus in general the community has gotten a lot better at playing town over the years.

[Robz888]

I forgot how hard being scum is! Plus in general the community has gotten a lot better at playing town over the years.

Yes, that is definitely true.

[XerxesPraelor]

It really helped us that all the VT's had very strong showings, and the claims ended in a way that the "scummier" players wound up as IC's.

Although, we did nail Joth fair and square, and I totally called Voltaire+Kingzog yesterday too. We got quite lucky, but capitalized on it with strong scumhunting.

It's really too bad the only read I had wrong (except for somehow swapping on joth near the end) was the one I focused on the much. I called Voltaire+Kingzog too. Sorry Eevee!