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[Eevee]

To be fair I would not have voted for anyone but him.. of course, still a questionable kill.

[Teproc]

" I'm probably going to get mislynched tomorrow."

Voltaire in the scum QT. Now that's getting into character.

[liopoil]

He should have claimed 1-shot cop instead.

[silverspawn]

so, WW is the MVP I think? for pushing the joth case. or lio for hammering him.

[Witherweaver]

yea i'm currently reading the whole mafia QT

I think - might be wrong again - the "we can safe claim a PR if it's two T's was a huge mistake. Voltaire did that, and that's what convinced me to lynch him, because 0T is just so unlikely.

Eh, that wasn't very convincing.  The reason I voted Voltaire was because from his claims:

(1) He copped Joth day 1 instead of XP
(2) Copping Joth and getting a town result, and have Joth being the Godfather, is just SUCH a convenient excuse to not vote Joth Day 2.
(3) No result on XP today means Volt was Roleblocked for noimaginablereasonwhatsoever

[Witherweaver]

"today" meaning the day he claimed.. from Night 2.

[liopoil]

so, WW is the MVP I think? for pushing the joth case. or lio for hammering him.

Yeah, WW I think, for good reads and towniness. I was pretty wrong about XP and voltaire, and also wasn't as towny.

[Voltaire]

" I'm probably going to get mislynched tomorrow."

Voltaire in the scum QT. Now that's getting into character.

I was so proud of that town!slip after I realized what I'd done. 

I'm pointing to this game every time someone in the future claims that I'm being seven kinds of clever as mafia and duping everyone. I'm not capable of that.

I guess I drew the wrong lesson from my previous scum game where massclaim POE'd the team - C9++ isn't the setup to counter that in with a fakeclaim, it seems. I just didn't have plausible targets as a cop, either. I considered claiming 1-shot Cop with a shot remaining, but how in the world could I argue for not having used the shot? I guess the lesson here is, obsess over your fakeclaim more. Or just go VT. Bah.

The XP mislynch was sitting there so pretty D2, and I knew it was going to look too easy at some point and never happen.

[Voltaire]

(3) No result on XP today means Volt was Roleblocked for noimaginablereasonwhatsoever

I shouldn't have opened the day voting for XP. That's what led me down the slippery-slop to a fake No Result, under the thinking, "Of course I'd cop XP! So I can't have, because I already voted him." I could have considered claiming "Guilty" on him, which I did consider now that I remember...I forget why I decided not to do that.

[Witherweaver]

so, WW is the MVP I think? for pushing the joth case. or lio for hammering him.

Yeah, WW I think, for good reads and towniness. I was pretty wrong about XP and voltaire, and also wasn't as towny.

When XP claimed to forget about the Masons I started doubting his scumminess, but thought maybe he was playing some weird mind games and it was possible.  When he straight up decided to randomly roll between the last remaining Mason and other people that didn't seem all that town at all, I had a real hard time imagining it being a lie.

[liopoil]

(3) No result on XP today means Volt was Roleblocked for noimaginablereasonwhatsoever

I shouldn't have opened the day voting for XP. That's what led me down the slippery-slop to a fake No Result, under the thinking, "Of course I'd cop XP! So I can't have, because I already voted him." I could have considered claiming "Guilty" on him, which I did consider now that I remember...I forget why I decided not to do that.

because you would be conf!scum once he flipped town.

1-shot cop with just the town result on joth on D1 might have worked out, though you still might have been lynched. You certainly would have gotten my support with that.

[silverspawn]

I think scum just got a really horrible setup. claiming VT is bad. claiming a PR is bad. the godfather is useless. at least the roleblocker was nice (even though he never did anything, but that was because of XP).

[Witherweaver]

The claim was just too nicely wrapped up in a shiny package that explained everything. 

[silverspawn]

1-shot cop with just the town result on joth on D1 might have worked out, though you still might have been lynched. You certainly would have gotten my support with that.

wouldn't that have meant one T and a SK?

one T is also unlikely. I would have pushed anything that relies on 0 or 1 Ts

[Witherweaver]

I think scum just got a really horrible setup. claiming VT is bad. claiming a PR is bad. the godfather is useless. at least the roleblocker was nice (even though he never did anything, but that was because of XP).

I think the biggest unfortunate thing for them was that the Masons were on people they wouldn't night kill anyway.  Sudgy is a standard mislynch target, and SK is a new player.. this was his first town game.  Scum would want to kill players like Robz, Lio, XP, but had to spend the first two nights taking out Sudgy and SK.

[liopoil]

1-shot cop with just the town result on joth on D1 might have worked out, though you still might have been lynched. You certainly would have gotten my support with that.

wouldn't that have meant one T and a SK?

one T is also unlikely. I would have pushed anything that relies on 0 or 1 Ts

Right, but then it's harder to see who the lying PR is. And if he just claims VT, he's screwed anyway. That would probably be his best shot.

[jotheonah]

I can't believe that neither of my partners was online when I got lynched when they ACTUALLY could have either saved or bussed me! That basically lost us the game (not that we were doing awesome beforehand).

Also, I feel like it's a slight problem in this setup that Godfather is still considered to be a mafia power, even when there's no cop and it's useless. I feel like, given that, scum was a little underpowered.

[liopoil]

Also, I feel like it's a slight problem in this setup that Godfather is still considered to be a mafia power, even when there's no cop and it's useless. I feel like, given that, scum was a little underpowered.

It actually helped us because your flip helped us make ICs out of PRs.

[Teproc]

I can't believe that neither of my partners was online when I got lynched when they ACTUALLY could have either saved or bussed me! That basically lost us the game (not that we were doing awesome beforehand).

Also, I feel like it's a slight problem in this setup that Godfather is still considered to be a mafia power, even when there's no cop and it's useless. I feel like, given that, scum was a little underpowered.

I agree, I find C9++ a little too swingy. JK9++ and asher9++ are both better versions I think.

[XerxesPraelor]

The setup really saved me the entire time - first I got to be a doctor when I was going to be lynched, and then the Godfather thing saved everything.

[Voltaire]

because you would be conf!scum once he flipped town.

1-shot cop with just the town result on joth on D1 might have worked out, though you still might have been lynched. You certainly would have gotten my support with that.

Oh, I knew I'd be conf!scum - as you can see, I was expecting to be lynched D2, so getting the doctor mislynched first would have been a big win for me.

[silverspawn]

Also, I feel like it's a slight problem in this setup that Godfather is still considered to be a mafia power, even when there's no cop and it's useless. I feel like, given that, scum was a little underpowered.

It actually helped us because your flip helped us make ICs out of PRs.

yea, and not just a little bit, it was a huge help.

[Voltaire]

I can't believe that neither of my partners was online when I got lynched when they ACTUALLY could have either saved or bussed me! That basically lost us the game (not that we were doing awesome beforehand).

This is the biggest thing. This, and good town play.

[Eevee]

It really helped us that all the VT's had very strong showings, and the claims ended in a way that the "scummier" players wound up as IC's.

Although, we did nail Joth fair and square, and I totally called Voltaire+Kingzog yesterday too. We got quite lucky, but capitalized on it with strong scumhunting.

[jotheonah]

liopoil subbing in helped you guys a lot too. that was the moment when I was like "we're screwed"