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[Hydrad]

sorry in a league match right now and will post more after i lose. But just wanted to say. since i'm a vig that means theres a roleblocker and i think xp might be slightly towny... although this will just look scummy i guess. just wanted to say that.

PPE;8

[XerxesPraelor]

Let's do this quickly, so we don't let scum time to fake claim.

[liopoil]

I have no problem to claim first.

of course not, because you're town, but the point is that this lets scum know what you claim before they have to claim. Not you specifically, but one more player. They want to make sure the number of claimed PRs is how they want it.

[liopoil]

Let's do this quickly, so we don't let scum time to fake claim.

scum don't need time to fake claim

[XerxesPraelor]

I mean to come up with one.

[silverspawn]

I have no problem to claim first.

actually, i take that back, i'd like to claim last.

though if we want to make this really fair we should probably do something like: each player submits a list of all players. each player gets x points per list, where x is his position. players claim according to points is ascending order.

or we could also just do your list, if noone has a problem with that

of course not, because you're town, but the point is that this lets scum know what you claim before they have to claim. Not you specifically, but one more player. They want to make sure the number of claimed PRs is how they want it

[silverspawn]

Let's do this quickly, so that we don't have time to figure out a good order.

ftfy scum

[Witherweaver]

I need to think about things a little bit more.

[liopoil]

I mean to come up with one.

Yeah, I know that's what you mean. How long does it take to come up with a fakeclaim? 5 minutes tops? And they've had two days and nights to think about it? Yeah.

[XerxesPraelor]

I know I didn't think of the Godfather thing, so it's conceivable that the Mafia didn't prepare for it.

[silverspawn]

I know I didn't think of the Godfather thing, so it's conceivable that the Mafia didn't prepare for it.

because it's so hard to pretend that you're afk and post in half an hour?

[Voltaire]

Would rather we didn't massclaim yet, but will go along if we do.

[silverspawn]

okay, we are 8, so I'll suggest we do it as follows

here is a list of players still alive

• Hydrad
• silverspawn
• Eevee
• Kingzog3
• Witherweaver
• liopoil
• Voltaire
• XerxesPraelor

green are pro claim, red are con claim, black are undecided/haven't expressed their opinion. we are 8, so if at least 5 are pro claim, we claim.

If we claim, I'd like to do the same to decide which list we use (lio's/we create it using my system).

and we lynch whoever doesn't claim.

[Hydrad]

Well i'm obviously pro claim since i'm a vig. I don't even care if you guys say what your PR is or not just as long as someone says that they have a PR so that we don't mislynch me.

[Hydrad]

well 1-shot vig. i guess VT now :/

[XerxesPraelor]

I know I didn't think of the Godfather thing, so it's conceivable that the Mafia didn't prepare for it.

because it's so hard to pretend that you're afk and post in half an hour?

That's a good point. On second thought we can take our time.

[Voltaire]

Totally massclaim. I love this setup.

Why would scum!XP support this?

He's going down anyway, he wants to out remaining PRs for his last partner.

[XerxesPraelor]

okay, we are 8, so I'll suggest we do it as follows

here is a list of players still alive

• Hydrad
• silverspawn
• Eevee
• Kingzog3
• Witherweaver
• liopoil
• Voltaire
• XerxesPraelor

green are pro claim, red are con claim, black are undecided/haven't expressed their opinion. we are 8, so if at least 5 are pro claim, we claim.

If we claim, I'd like to do the same to decide which list we use (lio's/we create it using my system).

and we lynch whoever doesn't claim.

Town points to ss for good organization and starting this. Town points to liopoil for discovering the Godfather thing. Since Hydrad is obviously town and ww was quite towny at the beginning of the game, that leaves...

PPE: I did do that in every other game where I was caught scum, so that would be the sort of thing I do, but in this case I definitely think there's a chance scum claims VT.

[XerxesPraelor]

Edit: and so I escape being lynched.

[Eevee]

I reread the events leading up to the deadline. Here are some posts I think are interesting.

I'm pretty much gone from now until deadline for extended periods of time. I can check in but only briefly. So...let's lynch Robz.

Scum point for Voltaire, trying to derail us from joth to Robz with a lackluster case.

I don't like Robz.. I don't like XP, or Volt.. was considering liking Eevee (mainly because of buddying), but I went away from it after looking back.

Silver is probably town.. Hydrad is iffy.. PoE puts it on: Joth, KingZog, Lio. 

Joth and Lio partnership may be unlikely, not sure.. maybe someone else needs to go back in the PoE list, like Volt.

Does anyone else like Joth?  I'm still on him.

Town points for WW, helping us to lynch scum.

WW, can I ask you to reconsider Eevee? I haven't re-read him, so this is a pretty barely-formulated case, but his behavior right now (saying over and over again that he's working on a reread but never actually posting anything) is pretty classic scum actilurking. I can't think of a single meaningful contribution he's made this game, at least not since he spotted the mason claim at the very very beginning. He's just sort of been hovering around, seeming towny.

I was the target joth and XP both tried to swing the lynch to.

Eevee I have less time for mafia now than I used to. I suspect that plays a large part in all the creeping "hmmm Volt" posts I'm seeing.

joth is a bad lynch. Robz is a good lynch!

Voltaire insists.

Once again scum maneuvers the lynch so that the only viable options are mislynches. This is not good. Can we please lynch Eevee?

XP and joth with a common goal.

I just want to say again, look back at the end of day 1. As Liopoil had pointed out, I was the first one to back off XP after his claim yesterday! Now if he's town and I'm scum -- as you're willing to believe, Robz -- why would I do that!? If nothing else, I would stay on the claimed doctor until someone else backed off. Or I would just push the lynch anyway, pointing out how scummy a claim doctor is.

I just don't see my play at the end of the day yesterday matches a narrative of joth scum, XP town at all.

Even joth is saying XP is his partner.

Lio gets town points for the hammer, of course.

I think we should lynch between Voltaire and XP. Next scummiest I find Kingzog for avoiding the joth-wagon, but that might not be so much of an offense if XP is scum too.

[Eevee]

Strong town reads:
WW, liopoil

Medium town reads:
Hydrad (we want to monitor what happens with kills in the future), silverspawn

Slipping to neutral read:
Kingzog (XP's flip would be informational here)

Scum reads:
Voltaire, XP.

[silverspawn]

and... do you think we should claim, eevee?

[silverspawn]

• Hydrad
• silverspawn
• Eevee
• Kingzog3
• Witherweaver
• liopoil
• Voltaire
• XerxesPraelor

just because you have already claimed, doesn't mean you support a massclaim, but now hydrad confirmed, so one is missing for a majority.

[Eevee]

and... do you think we should claim, eevee?

I'm not very good at analyzing these setups. I think I'm against it at this point, though. We might
back ourselves into a massclaim anyways through wagons and claims, and I think we have two suspects above the pack anyways, so it just seems unnecessary to ask town reads to
claim.

Will a massclaim ever help us determining if XP is lying is the question I quess. If I understand correctly that's very unlikely at this point?

[silverspawn]

and... do you think we should claim, eevee?

I'm not very good at analyzing these setups. I think I'm against it at this point, though. We might
back ourselves into a massclaim anyways through wagons and claims, and I think we have two suspects above the pack anyways, so it just seems unnecessary to ask town reads to
claim.

Will a massclaim ever help us determining if XP is lying is the question I quess. If I understand correctly that's very unlikely at this point?

if everyone claims VT, then it's impossible that XP is a doctor. dunno how likely that is.

but I think a massclaim is useful anyway, because scum has to claim at some point during that, which may be really hard to do safely. for example, even if we have the max number of PR's and scum claims early, they're likely to claim a PR anyway, and then we reach an impossible conclusion. For obvious reasons, we shouldn't really talk about it in more detail..