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[XerxesPraelor]

Yes.

[liopoil]

I'm here. And although I'm pretty sure you all know the answer its ya. I did shoot robz. I was going to shoot XP if joth flipped town but since he was scum I figured i would give XP a chance to see if he saves anyone or if I get roleblocked or anything like that. I chose robz and I'm wrong and I hate it. Man vig power is scary to use.

The one thing that makes me slightly believe XP is that i didn't get roleblocked. So either they purposly didn't use it on me to frame XP or they are constantly using it on XP and thats why they keep going for IC's. although this only works if hes town.

If hes scum I don't know where they would be using this roleblock at all...

No you did fine, this is actually good because now we can't mislynch him. Of course hitting scum would be better, but this is fine.

What did joth's flip have to do with anything?

Also, quick question, are you a serial killer?

[Hydrad]

I'm here. And although I'm pretty sure you all know the answer its ya. I did shoot robz. I was going to shoot XP if joth flipped town but since he was scum I figured i would give XP a chance to see if he saves anyone or if I get roleblocked or anything like that. I chose robz and I'm wrong and I hate it. Man vig power is scary to use.

The one thing that makes me slightly believe XP is that i didn't get roleblocked. So either they purposly didn't use it on me to frame XP or they are constantly using it on XP and thats why they keep going for IC's. although this only works if hes town.

If hes scum I don't know where they would be using this roleblock at all...

No you did fine, this is actually good because now we can't mislynch him. Of course hitting scum would be better, but this is fine.

What did joth's flip have to do with anything?

Also, quick question, are you a serial killer?

I was pretty sure scum was either in joth or xp. so if joth was town i was just going to kill xp

also nope.

[liopoil]

So here's the deal. Godfather. Joth was the godfather.

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TTTTTT = Goon + Godfather
TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

pretty big deal. If can't be the middle 2 because those teams don't have a godfather. It can't be the top two because masons. The only way it can be 5 Ts is if Hydrad and XP are SK and mafia goon. Is this possible? Totally. It makes sense. And if it is the case, massclaim proves it. Because if one or both are actually town PRs, then there will have to be at least one more town PR to make there only 2 Ts.

If there is another town PR, then it puts towncred on Hydrad and XP for sure... unless there are a lot of town PRs.

So massclaim could be of value.

[silverspawn]

well i for one am almost certain that XP is full of crap. first night we lost a mason. second night we lost another mason. doctor didn't die despite claiming night one.

I don't believe that XP targeted Hydrad. He has to know that his chances of survival are better if he targets the mason. And why would scum target masons twice in a row with - again - a claimed doctor on day one?

we need to lynch XP here. we really do

PE 2

[liopoil]

well i for one am almost certain that XP is full of crap. first night we lost a mason. second night we lost another mason. doctor didn't die despite claiming night one.

I don't believe that XP targeted Hydrad. He has to know that his chances of survival are better if he targets the mason. And why would scum target masons twice in a row with - again - a claimed doctor on day one?

we need to lynch XP here. we really do

PE 2

Only thing holding me back is the chance of a roleblocker. Except it doesn't even matter because XP has targeted the wrong players anyway. So blah.

Yeah, probably lynch XP, but think it through first I think.

[silverspawn]

do you think we should massclaim?

[liopoil]

If we massclaim, here are the possible outcomes for number of new PR claims:

No town PRs: We know the scum, lynch them, win.
1 town PR: All 3 are IC
2+ town PRs: oops we shouldn't have claimed... gah.

Well first of all, does anybody want to claim because they found something out?

[liopoil]

Roles and how bad it is if they have to claim:

Cop - well hopefully they have some sort of result by now... if they don't they really shouldn't claim if they still have a shot.
Doctor - Claiming bad unless shot used
Vig - not too bad.
Roleblocker - not too bad.

So we don't lose much by massclaiming. Maybe we should all semi-claim. As in, everyone says "I am either VT or a town PR whose claim would make my power much less likely to be helpful", or claims if they are a town PR whose claim doesn't matter too much. Then we decide how to go from there.

[XerxesPraelor]

Totally massclaim. I love this setup.

[XerxesPraelor]

"I am either a VT or a town PR whose claim would make my power much less likely to be useful." Except I was forced to anyways...

[silverspawn]

I don't follow completely. why is 7 or 6 T's impossible? Why can't it have 2 M's and 7T's?

[silverspawn]

"I am either a VT or a town PR whose claim would make my power much less likely to be useful." Except I was forced to anyways...

you are scum.

[liopoil]

People whose roles are unknown:

Eevee
Witherweaver
Voltaire
Kingzog3
liopoil
silverspawn

the above is also the claim order I would suggest, based on my reads and generally what I think other's reads are. I don't really know. If someone thinks this order is bad just say so.

So, yes, I think I do support massclaim. I think the chances we have 2+ town PRs aren't that big.

It is interesting that the only way that Hydrad is town and XP is scum as my reads currently think is if there are 2+ other town PRs though. Hrmm.

I don't follow completely. why is 7 or 6 T's impossible? Why can't it have 2 M's and 7T's?

because there are only 7 letters.

[silverspawn]

because there are only 7 letters.

right, i just saw that.

[liopoil]

"I am either a VT or a town PR whose claim would make my power much less likely to be useful." Except I was forced to anyways...

your power wouldn't have been useful even if you hadn't claimed, because you saved the wrong people!

[liopoil]

It's pretty much impossible that Hydrad is mafia, I think. Could be SK.

[Eevee]

I certainly don't believe I belong at the top of the claiming order, given how hard I drew joth yesterday, but I'll go first if that's the general consensus. However, I'm holding off until everyone who has a strong opinion on the subject has had a chance to respond. Personally, I'm slightly towards it. As lio said, it is very unlikely to hurt us.

[silverspawn]

we already have 2 players flipping VT's though. doesn't that mean just one T is also impossible?

[liopoil]

Totally massclaim. I love this setup.

Why would scum!XP support this?

I certainly don't believe I belong at the top of the claiming order, given how hard I drew joth yesterday, but I'll go first if that's the general consensus. However, I'm holding off until everyone who has a strong opinion on the subject has had a chance to respond. Personally, I'm slightly towards it. As lio said, it is very unlikely to hurt us.

I haven't reread interactions with joth yet, good point. Solely based off stuff from yesterday. I really don't know where scum would be if not in {Hydrad, XP}.

[silverspawn]

oh nvm you only random 7 numbers, so you have more VT's anyway.

[silverspawn]

*letters

[silverspawn]

I haven't read the wiki page pre game, I probably should have. well, I think I got it now.

[liopoil]

we already have 2 players flipping VT's though. doesn't that mean just one T is also impossible?

VTs have no correlation to the number of Ts. T's are just what happens when a number in the range 1-50 is rolled. Everyone who isn't a PR or scum is automatically VT... there are always more VTs than Ts.

PPE: yeah, exactly.

[silverspawn]

I have no problem to claim first.