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[Twistedarcher]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

I have a strongly neutral read on him, I don't see how anyone could be trumpeting him as "obvtown" at this point (he's not one of the Masons, right? Who are the Masons again?). I don't want to lynch him, though.

Yeah, basically this. Masons are Sudgy and SK. Obvtown at this point is ridiculous (so is "elite case" on D1, but hey, I'm getting lynched anyways)

Townier reads on Silverspawn, slightly Joth, slightly Robz. Scummier on Hydrad. Townier on WW, scummy on Voltaire, null/town on XP, no clue on KingZog. Not sure who else I'm forgetting.

[Voltaire]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

I have a strongly neutral read on him, I don't see how anyone could be trumpeting him as "obvtown" at this point (he's not one of the Masons, right? Who are the Masons again?). I don't want to lynch him, though.

Masons are sudgy and SK.

As long as you don't try to lynch Eevee today all is well.

[Voltaire]

I'm going to go back to my vote on XP. It's what I initially thought and I still read him as scummy. TA as been very towny, and I really don't think that he his carefully hiding his scum nature

vote: XP also, sorry a short reply, I'm into phone and won't really have a chance to type anything big before the deadline.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Oh well, I just don't think I have the motivation to play this game anymore, I don't really have any desire to do re-reads and anything more than gut reads / reactions to what's going on D1, and two games in a row that just hasn't cut it.

This reads defeated scum to me, not town getting mislynched.

[Robz888]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

I have a strongly neutral read on him, I don't see how anyone could be trumpeting him as "obvtown" at this point (he's not one of the Masons, right? Who are the Masons again?). I don't want to lynch him, though.

Masons are sudgy and SK.

As long as you don't try to lynch Eevee today all is well.

Well now I kind of want to.

[silverspawn]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

I have a strongly neutral read on him, I don't see how anyone could be trumpeting him as "obvtown" at this point (he's not one of the Masons, right? Who are the Masons again?). I don't want to lynch him, though.

sudgy + SK

[silverspawn]

oups, missed a page

[Robz888]

I'm going to go back to my vote on XP. It's what I initially thought and I still read him as scummy. TA as been very towny, and I really don't think that he his carefully hiding his scum nature

vote: XP also, sorry a short reply, I'm into phone and won't really have a chance to type anything big before the deadline.

This is bad and you should feel bad.

Oh well, I just don't think I have the motivation to play this game anymore, I don't really have any desire to do re-reads and anything more than gut reads / reactions to what's going on D1, and two games in a row that just hasn't cut it.

This reads defeated scum to me, not town getting mislynched.

It might be bad, I don't think he should feel bad. It's not unreasonable.

Does not read to me as defeated scum, at all, whatsoever.

How many votes does XP have?

[Voltaire]

Well now I kind of want to.

Do you think scum trumpets the possibility of mason-ness? Plus Eevee's other play? I don't see it.

How many votes does XP have?

5 I think. TA I think has 6.

[Voltaire]

Honest question, have we ever seen a scum wagon be the first wagon, have it sit for awhile, have other stuff build up around it and many players just kind of ignore that it still exists? Because that is what it would take for XP to be scum and it's not impossible but I don't see it.

[AndrewisFTTW]

VOTE COUNT 1.10

Hydrad (2): Witherweaver, Twistedarcher
XerxesPraelor (4): sudgy, Hydrad, jotheonah, Kingzog3
Twistedarcher (5): silverspawn,  Eevee, XerxesPraelor, SK, Voltaire

Not Voting (2): Robz888, chairs

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 6:00pm FT on September 2nd (~4 1/2 hours).

[silverspawn]

I don't really get TA anymore. His reaction is just so weak. If he were scum, I'd expect him to defend himlelf more, but if he was town, I'd also expect him to defend himself more. He just seems depressed, which is not really alignment dependend. dunno, overall, I don't feel him as strongly anymore. He is still top 2 together with hydrad though, but at this point one is as good as the other. Let's just not do XP.

[Twistedarcher]

Honest question, have we ever seen a scum wagon be the first wagon, have it sit for awhile, have other stuff build up around it and many players just kind of ignore that it still exists? Because that is what it would take for XP to be scum and it's not impossible but I don't see it.

It's definitely possible. Ahoppy in Diffusion of Power was semi-similar -- he was scum D1, and he wasn't the first wagon but he was there at deadline and there was very very little movement at deadline towards getting him lynched (I think both partners were bussing, although not super actively pushing the lynch)

[Witherweaver]

He sounds the way Sudgy does when he gets mislynched.

[Twistedarcher]

I don't really get TA anymore. His reaction is just so weak. If he were scum, I'd expect him to defend himlelf more, but if he was town, I'd also expect him to defend himself more. He just seems depressed, which is not really alignment dependend. dunno, overall, I don't feel him as strongly anymore. He is still top 2 together with hydrad though, but at this point one is as good as the other. Let's just not do XP.

I mean, it's frustrating to have a large percentage of people think I'm scum both in this game and newbie mafia, especially when both cases were centered around gross lack of participation and both cases were made midway from D1. I think it's frustrating that I am getting held to the standard of having to heavily contribute or I'm auto-scum, and I'm just not going to change that, so I don't know what to say -- conclusion seems to be that my playstyle/commitment level is just incompatible with mafia and I should find a different hobby that's not going to hit me over the head when I feel like taking a day off.

[silverspawn]

but it's not lack of activity that made you feel scummy to me, it's being overly cautious about everything.

[Witherweaver]

Is there any reason to think Silver is town?

[jotheonah]

it also seems like everyone is cool with lynching hydrad but no one is actually voting for him.

[Voltaire]

Is there any reason to think Silver is town?

Reaction to masons - had the "maybe it's a gambit" a lot.

Also is thinking like me, which could be buddying for cred. Because I could have written this post just now (the reads, not the intensity, I still think TA is scum):

I don't really get TA anymore. His reaction is just so weak. If he were scum, I'd expect him to defend himlelf more, but if he was town, I'd also expect him to defend himself more. He just seems depressed, which is not really alignment dependend. dunno, overall, I don't feel him as strongly anymore. He is still top 2 together with hydrad though, but at this point one is as good as the other. Let's just not do XP.

Especially the "not XP" at the end.

But I lean town. Because this would be quite artful for scum.

[Voltaire]

it also seems like everyone is cool with lynching hydrad but no one is actually voting for him.

Have voted before, would vote again (if needed)

[Witherweaver]

All people should vote for Hydrad.

[jotheonah]

but why though

[Voltaire]

All people should vote for Hydrad.

Only if TA turns out not to be possible.

[Witherweaver]

but why though

Because I think we'll see not green text.  And I like that.

[jotheonah]

All people should vote for Hydrad.

Only if TA turns out not to be possible.

I won't vote for TA. I don't believe Robz will. His wagon moved way too fast with no opposition. He's either town or his team has given up on him. Or, I guess, Robz is his teammate and just totally played me which, I'll admit is a possibility.

[jotheonah]

But sure, vote: Hydrad. We need a lynch.