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[Twistedarcher]

Other than that...correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am, I suck at this game), but a smart scum would play it safe. So we are looking for erratic reads on unsuspecting people? And things and stuff?

Well, judging by your statement, a smart scum would be playing it safe, so they wouldn't be making erratic reads.

I didn't disregard silverspawn's case. I just think it was an awful lot of interpreting things in the way that would match his pre-determined conclusion.

[SK]

No, I mean if we're looking for town people, that's what we should look for?

And one sec, lemme reread the stuff

[SK]

As for the case:
It's the best thing we have to go on. It successfully makes you look scummy, and while it does seem that SS was a little over the top, he really did bring up some decent points. If there was a better case that I missed, please, share.

[silverspawn]

I didn't disregard silverspawn's case. I just think it was an awful lot of interpreting things in the way that would match his pre-determined conclusion.

I don't like to say this, but he got a point. I did approach this in the way of: let's assume X is scum -> reread X -> does it match the assumption? yes -> scum read, no -> town read. Eevee is a town read. XP is a town read. (some others too). Hydrad is a slight scum read. you are still a reasonable scum read.

I don't think this approach is inherently bad though.

[Twistedarcher]

I didn't disregard silverspawn's case. I just think it was an awful lot of interpreting things in the way that would match his pre-determined conclusion.

I don't like to say this, but he got a point. I did approach this in the way of: let's assume X is scum -> reread X -> does it match the assumption? yes -> scum read, no -> town read. Eevee is a town read. XP is a town read. (some others too). Hydrad is a slight scum read. you are still a reasonable scum read.

I don't think this approach is inherently bad though.

I don't think its scummy (and I have a town read on you) but I don't think its a very effective method of finding scum. It's working backwards, and it's especially tough d1 since we don't have a point of reference (any flips) to go off of.

[Witherweaver]

Interesting, TA, Hydrad, and XP are all floating around  mid-lynch range.. all have formed wagons but I think only TA's has gotten to L-1.  In any case, all seem to have stalled at some point.  Anyone have any insight on what this may imply?  Anyone think all three could be town?

[Eevee]

i agree scum plays it safe day 1. hey, like TA has for example.

[SK]

i agree scum plays it safe day 1. hey, like TA has for example.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Witherweaver]

i agree scum plays it safe day 1. hey, like TA has for example.

That's true, but all scum don't.  Someone (on the Mafia team) has to be pushing for lynches.  If not, this game would probably be more stalled.  If there is an SK, he'd probably want to play quiet and background, I would think.

[Eevee]

i agree scum plays it safe day 1. hey, like TA has for example.

That's true, but all scum don't.  Someone (on the Mafia team) has to be pushing for lynches.  If not, this game would probably be more stalled.  If there is an SK, he'd probably want to play quiet and background, I would think.

Town pushes lynches too. And this game was stalling, I'm glad it has picked back up again.

Of course this is not to say the frontground players can't be scum. But I think it's good policy to lynch background people day 1.

[jotheonah]

I presented a case I really liked on Eevee! It got kaiboshed when everyone said "nope, don't buy it, he's town" without much explanation. I switched to TA because I thought the Eevee wagon was just not going to move past where it was.

I considered Ww and/or Voltaire as Eevee's scum buddies. But it's way too clunky a play for vets like that.

If I can get anyone on board, I'm happy to switch  back to vote: Eevee. I agree TA wagon was moving waaaaayyy too fast.

However, I think No Lynch is the best possible thing now.

Yeah but Eevee is obvtown. And No Lynch is a terrible idea.

[Eevee]

Hear, hear!

[Twistedarcher]

How is eevee obvtown? How is anyone obvtown d1?

[jotheonah]

I just have strong reads on Eevee and WW and not much reason to suspect them. Obviously they could be scum, but they're not where I'm interested in looking today.

[Voltaire]

I'm here, what's going on, when's deadline?

[Voltaire]

But I think it's good policy to lynch background people day 1.

Robz, you want an answer, this is it. Also you're MVP as scum and meh/good as town, so...lynch lurker Robz.

TA is a good lynch. I want to re-read.

[Voltaire]

How is eevee obvtown? How is anyone obvtown d1?

Look at the way he ferreted out/made clear the mason thing. That's an easy D1 pass.

[Voltaire]

OK, we have a few hours to do this. Re-read was less helpful than expected.

Robz888
Hydrad
silverspawn
jotheonah
Eevee
Kingzog3
Witherweaver
chairs
Voltaire
XerxesPraelor
sudgy
SK
Twistedarcher

Getting rid of the masons and myself. Cool? Cool.

Robz888
Hydrad
silverspawn
jotheonah
Eevee
Kingzog3
Witherweaver
chairs
XerxesPraelor
Twistedarcher

Getting rid of my town reads/new players. Eevee for mason play (+ more), joth for thinking like me, Silver/Zog for being newer and both strike me as new town anyway (Zog's OMGUS thing).

Robz888
Hydrad
Witherweaver
chairs - lurking way more than I thought but that's normal chairs.
XerxesPraelor - I actually lean town here, because his wagon was ignored by many players. He was the first big wagon. That's almost never on scum, AND he sat while other stuff built around him and wasn't talked about. That is easily explained by scum not wanting to take the first mislynch presented, which is a thing.
Twistedarcher - lurking and posts and the whole nine yards - mostly the "is that your case" thing in reply to Silver. This one:

Silverspawn, that post looks to me like you decided I was scum, then tried to explain every post I've made to explain that narrative. A lot of the reasons for a post being scummy could just as easily go the other way, you're just trying to paint examples to fit the narrative you already came up with.

The sudgy voters were Witherweaver, Eevee, XerxesPraelor, Kingzog3, jotheonah at the time SK started the mason claim thing. That's...a wagon of town reads. I feel like that means something but I can't figure out what it would be.

So...I would lynch out of Robz, Hydrad, WW, chairs, TA today. I think TA is doing what I initially went after Robz for but much moreso.

TA, Hydrad, Robz. In that order.

vote: TwistedArcher That is L-1

[Twistedarcher]

Oh well, I just don't think I have the motivation to play this game anymore, I don't really have any desire to do re-reads and anything more than gut reads / reactions to what's going on D1, and two games in a row that just hasn't cut it.

[jotheonah]

I don't think that's L1. I think it's L2.

[Voltaire]

I don't think that's L1. I think it's L2.

It was 4, SK voted to 5 since the last vote count, I'm 6, 7 to lynch?

[Robz888]

I presented a case I really liked on Eevee! It got kaiboshed when everyone said "nope, don't buy it, he's town" without much explanation. I switched to TA because I thought the Eevee wagon was just not going to move past where it was.

I considered Ww and/or Voltaire as Eevee's scum buddies. But it's way too clunky a play for vets like that.

If I can get anyone on board, I'm happy to switch  back to vote: Eevee. I agree TA wagon was moving waaaaayyy too fast.

However, I think No Lynch is the best possible thing now.

Yeah but Eevee is obvtown. And No Lynch is a terrible idea.

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

[Voltaire]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

[Robz888]

Eevee is NOT obvtown.

Do you have a town read on him?

I have a strongly neutral read on him, I don't see how anyone could be trumpeting him as "obvtown" at this point (he's not one of the Masons, right? Who are the Masons again?). I don't want to lynch him, though.

[KingZog3]

I'm going to go back to my vote on XP. It's what I initially thought and I still read him as scummy. TA as been very towny, and I really don't think that he his carefully hiding his scum nature

vote: XP also, sorry a short reply, I'm into phone and won't really have a chance to type anything big before the deadline.