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[Witherweaver]

Did anyone check the setup to see if scum is even able to claim this safely?

[Witherweaver]

And, I'm basically 100% not voting for Sudgy or SK today.

[Hydrad]

And, I'm basically 100% not voting for Sudgy or SK today.

same

[Eevee]

Did anyone check the setup to see if scum is even able to claim this safely?

50% chance of a serial killer. Not that one would be particularly likely to target a masonry, but still.

[Robz888]

I sort of read the thread and I still don't know if the Masons thing is serious and who they are.

[Eevee]

I sort of read the thread and I still don't know if the Masons thing is serious and who they are.

Then you definitely didn't read the thread.

Sudgy and SK are masons.

[Witherweaver]

Did anyone check the setup to see if scum is even able to claim this safely?

50% chance of a serial killer. Not that one would be particularly likely to target a masonry, but still.

Um, but I mean.. without knowing what powers town has, they don't know if they'll be counterlcaimed.  If MMMM or MMMMM is rolled, then the claim can be proven false, instalynch and likely loss.  So I guess it's only safe for scum if they know there are more than 3 T's.

[KingZog3]

I sort of read the thread and I still don't know if the Masons thing is serious and who they are.

Then you definitely didn't read the thread.

Sudgy and SK are masons.

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[silverspawn]

sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar at the prospect of two ICs.

they always had the chance to claim. the fact that they revealed themselves is, while maybe not a big deal, still a good thing for scum. likewise, the prospect of two IC's is not a surprise, but something that was anticipated from the start.

[Witherweaver]

sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar at the prospect of two ICs.

they always had the chance to claim. the fact that they revealed themselves is, while maybe not a big deal, still a good thing for scum. likewise, the prospect of two IC's is not a surprise, but something that was anticipated from the start.

Um.. you anticipated having Masons?  That's not really the most likely scenario.

[silverspawn]

Um.. you anticipated having Masons?  That's not really the most likely scenario.

it's not?

[Witherweaver]

Um.. you anticipated having Masons?  That's not really the most likely scenario.

it's not?

Depends.  How much information did you have coming into today?

[silverspawn]

Um.. you anticipated having Masons?  That's not really the most likely scenario.

it's not?

Depends.  How much information did you have coming into today?

I read the OP, it said roles are "distributed randomly". I read through the wiki page of the setup, though not everything. and someone said something about on open setup, so I assumed that I was misinformed and we're actually supposed to know more.

[Witherweaver]

So why would you have been anticipating Masons?

[silverspawn]

well aside from what I just said, which is that I thought we actually know more than I knew, I was also assuming that scum knows which roles are present

[Witherweaver]

well aside from what I just said, which is that I thought we actually know more than I knew, I was also assuming that scum knows which roles are present

Scum roles are determined by the number of "T" rolls.  They can know (up to within 1 I believe) how many T's there are, but not which non-T values were rolled.

[sudgy]

sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar at the prospect of two ICs.

Vote: jotheonah

I don't really remember jotheonah's playstyle, so this could be irrelevant, but this is a classic scum move.  Implicating someone as scum, but not voting for them, so that they don't have to take responsibility for their actions.

[Eevee]

I like it. From voting sudgy to sheeping sudgy.

Vote: joth

[jotheonah]

I just wasn't confident enough to back it up with a vote. After being so confident about sudgy and having it blow up like it did I was a little shaken. Wanted to see if anyone else agreed first.

[silverspawn]

Vote: jotheonah

it's not a strong case, but let's force some reactions

[SK]

vote: joth
Not much to do at this point. And yeah, me and sudgy are masons.

[jotheonah]

It really isn't a strong case. I would submit that a better case is the one I was too scared to make -- silverspawn's play, of "making sure no one's 100 percent cleared" is definitely something scum would do as early as they could in a discussion like the one we just had.

I'll vote: silverspawn in any case.

[silverspawn]

It really isn't a strong case. I would submit that a better case is the one I was too scared to make -- silverspawn's play, of "making sure no one's 100 percent cleared" is definitely something scum would do as early as they could in a discussion like the one we just had.

I'll vote: silverspawn in any case.

they aren't 100% cleared. it could be a scum team making a dangerous move. and we should keep that in mind. If you find the truth scummy, I don't know what to tell you.

[jotheonah]

It really isn't a strong case. I would submit that a better case is the one I was too scared to make -- silverspawn's play, of "making sure no one's 100 percent cleared" is definitely something scum would do as early as they could in a discussion like the one we just had.

I'll vote: silverspawn in any case.

they aren't 100% cleared. it could be a scum team making a dangerous move. and we should keep that in mind. If you find the truth scummy, I don't know what to tell you.

I find the fact that your first instinct was to point that out scummy. Scum players find ICs very scary. I know if I was suddenly hearing about two and I was scum, I would try to plant the seeds of doubt early in case I needed them later on.

This is also, as WW pointed out, weird:

sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar at the prospect of two ICs.

they always had the chance to claim. the fact that they revealed themselves is, while maybe not a big deal, still a good thing for scum. likewise, the prospect of two IC's is not a surprise, but something that was anticipated from the start.

[Witherweaver]

On the other hand, Joth, scum knows they're telling the truth, so they're going to think twice about going out against it.

I take it you didn't follow Dice Mafia, but on Day 4, Beyond Awesome and Myself were made Masons, with scum!Arch and scum!Lio alive, as well as town players Faust, Ash, PPS, Hydrad.  The three players that questioned the claim on Day 4, and were pushing to lynch me, were Faust, Ash, and PPS, all town.  Lio and Arch immediately supported our claim. 

The situations were somewhat different there, as previous interactions in the game affected people's interpretation.  But still Lio and Arch didn't want to go on the record as painting our claim as false because they didn't expect anyone else to question it. 

So, scum has some motivation to strongly support a claim they know to be true.. precisely for what's happening now; questioning it gets a lot of scrutiny.