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[Jimmmmm]

People are hilarious.

One player cannot put a player at L-1, unless there are only three players in the game.  And yet, again and again, the one player who places the vote for L-1 gains heightened scrutiny for no reason.

Jimmmmm is the first instigator of this terrible policy.  EgorK joins him.  Anyone else?

I urge players to think about what is actually happening, and how things come to occur, instead of blindly reacting with the accepted norm.

Why is receiving two votes such a big deal?

[Hydrad]

Ok here we go. My defense from things that have almost no basis at all.

First off i'll start by defending silvers unvote. Although this will probably make you think we are even a scum team even more I'll just let you know I have that same feeling when someone is at L-1. If they are at L-1 and we arn't supposed to lynch yet I get scared that someone might not realize that hes at L-1 and hammer by accident. Although its probably not needed as I doubt many players would make a mistake like that its definitaly a feeling i still have.

Onto my "i'm scared" post. That post litterally didn't mean anything. I wasn't actually afraid I was just responding to andrews post about why the wagon was on me. At that point I was at work so I didn't have time to make a long post but I was on break and just wanted to say something. So I just kinda made a post, I didn't intend to actually have meaning behind it and wasn't actually scared. I felt like people would understand my sarcasm but I guess it really doesn't go over well in text, especially when its a new player who you don't know how he normally communicates.

The unvoting silver post. That one I just wanted to let people know what I was doing. I found out that I vote swap at opportunist times in other games which is a super scummy trait. This is not my intention as I usually just don't have confidence in my votes and try to follow the leader until I build my confidence. I'm trying to break that habit so I wanted to let people know why I was changing my vote.

Finally the newbie post thing. This one I admit is my mistake and would probably look more towny if I ignored it but I think being 100% honest is better here. I was aware that the post sounded newbie and did try to make it sound like that. I found from other games that having that newbie feel gives off a town feeling. So I thought as this is still some of my first games I would keep that newbie meta going until it didn't work anymore. I didn't realize that after like 2 games it would already sound scummy. Part of it was an actual question though. This is my first day 1 experience with no extra information to go off of and as I can see I'm not playing it very well.

Well theres my defense to super weak claims on me and people jumping on the wagon out of nowhere.

I still see scott's jump on kinda scummy and although arche seemed scummy but I doubt scum would draw that much attention on it. ashers just feels like a normal asher thing to do so that doesn't feel scummy to me. and silver and andrew look town right now.

PPE:4

[Jimmmmm]

Town read on Hydrad.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I like Ash's strategy here.

Oh you must mean ash's "put a newbie to L-1 without announcing it and then immediately accuse another newbie of being scum when he unvotes" strategy. Yeah. I like it to.

vote: ashersky

[silverspawn]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

[ashersky]

Town read on Hydrad.

Scum read on Hydrad and Jimmmm.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yeahhh... what exactly was the point of that? We have more than a week to actually discuss things.

Please provide a list of these "things" which we can "discuss."

Well first of all, we haven't really heard from scott, Egor, or Robz at all, and barely anything from mail-mi, Arch, and chairs if I'm not mistaken. Is there a problem with wanting to hear from everybody in order to form reads? Is there a problem with discussing things?

[ashersky]

I like Ash's strategy here.

Oh you must mean ash's "put a newbie to L-1 without announcing it and then immediately accuse another newbie of being scum when he unvotes" strategy. Yeah. I like it to.

vote: ashersky

This is a new game, you know.

[Jimmmmm]

Town read on Hydrad.

Scum read on Hydrad and Jimmmm.

Calling scum partners this early into Day 1?

[ashersky]

Yeahhh... what exactly was the point of that? We have more than a week to actually discuss things.

Please provide a list of these "things" which we can "discuss."

Well first of all, we haven't really heard from scott, Egor, or Robz at all, and barely anything from mail-mi, Arch, and chairs if I'm not mistaken. Is there a problem with wanting to hear from everybody in order to form reads? Is there a problem with discussing things?

No problem.  But you are unable to come up with these "things" you seem to think are so important.

[ashersky]

Town read on Hydrad.

Scum read on Hydrad and Jimmmm.

Calling scum partners this early into Day 1?

Scumslip?  I'm calling scum reads this early, nothing else.

[Hydrad]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

Ya the only way it really looks scummy is if I'm actually scum. Then people will see it as you being afraid to kill your partner. But since I'm town if I die it will probably make you seem more towny by a bit. It really depends on what I am to see if its a scummy or not vote.

[Jimmmmm]

Scumslip?

Haha.

[ashersky]

Ok here we go. My defense from things that have almost no basis at all.

First off i'll start by defending silvers unvote. Although this will probably make you think we are even a scum team even more I'll just let you know I have that same feeling when someone is at L-1. If they are at L-1 and we arn't supposed to lynch yet I get scared that someone might not realize that hes at L-1 and hammer by accident. Although its probably not needed as I doubt many players would make a mistake like that its definitaly a feeling i still have.

Onto my "i'm scared" post. That post litterally didn't mean anything. I wasn't actually afraid I was just responding to andrews post about why the wagon was on me. At that point I was at work so I didn't have time to make a long post but I was on break and just wanted to say something. So I just kinda made a post, I didn't intend to actually have meaning behind it and wasn't actually scared. I felt like people would understand my sarcasm but I guess it really doesn't go over well in text, especially when its a new player who you don't know how he normally communicates.

The unvoting silver post. That one I just wanted to let people know what I was doing. I found out that I vote swap at opportunist times in other games which is a super scummy trait. This is not my intention as I usually just don't have confidence in my votes and try to follow the leader until I build my confidence. I'm trying to break that habit so I wanted to let people know why I was changing my vote.

Finally the newbie post thing. This one I admit is my mistake and would probably look more towny if I ignored it but I think being 100% honest is better here. I was aware that the post sounded newbie and did try to make it sound like that. I found from other games that having that newbie feel gives off a town feeling. So I thought as this is still some of my first games I would keep that newbie meta going until it didn't work anymore. I didn't realize that after like 2 games it would already sound scummy. Part of it was an actual question though. This is my first day 1 experience with no extra information to go off of and as I can see I'm not playing it very well.

Well theres my defense to super weak claims on me and people jumping on the wagon out of nowhere.

I still see scott's jump on kinda scummy and although arche seemed scummy but I doubt scum would draw that much attention on it. ashers just feels like a normal asher thing to do so that doesn't feel scummy to me. and silver and andrew look town right now.

PPE:4

Going back to this....this is crazy huge for such a nonissue so early in a game.  Scared scum for sure.  Robz will back me up.

[Witherweaver]

I like Ash's strategy here.

Oh you must mean ash's "put a newbie to L-1 without announcing it and then immediately accuse another newbie of being scum when he unvotes" strategy. Yeah. I like it to.

vote: ashersky

Well, more, put a newbie to L-1 and see how people react.  I would think if Hydrad is town, any scum on his wagon would have gotten a bit nervous.  Scum would probably want to find a nice way to get off the wagon, though I don't think they would immediately unvote like Silverspawn did.. though maybe newscum!Silver would have.

That's the town narrative for Ash.. the scum narrative is, other than scum!Ash doing things town!Ash would do, Ash and Hydrad are partners and Ash knows that there is 0 chance that lynch is going down, and players with wagons that run up early and dissipate are less likely to be the lynch.   I'm not too hot on this theory, though.

The other scum narrative for Ash would be, don't announce the L-1, see if something stupid happens (e.g., derphammer from town), and Ash pushing for that person's mislynch tomorrow (after all, everyone already agreed they'd autolynch the hammerer).

I think the town narrative for Ash is more likely here.

PPE: 9

[scott_pilgrim]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

Town read on silverspawn for this.

Slight scum points to ash for putting someone at L-1 without announcing.

[ashersky]

People are hilarious.

One player cannot put a player at L-1, unless there are only three players in the game.  And yet, again and again, the one player who places the vote for L-1 gains heightened scrutiny for no reason.

Jimmmmm is the first instigator of this terrible policy.  EgorK joins him.  Anyone else?

I urge players to think about what is actually happening, and how things come to occur, instead of blindly reacting with the accepted norm.

Why is receiving two votes such a big deal?

Who said it was?  Both votes were annoying.  Andrew jumped in, too.  Typical anti-ash bias rearing its head.

[ashersky]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

Town read on silverspawn for this.

Slight scum points to ash for putting someone at L-1 without announcing.

Look!  A reasonable reaction!

[Witherweaver]

Ok here we go. My defense from things that have almost no basis at all.

First off i'll start by defending silvers unvote. Although this will probably make you think we are even a scum team even more I'll just let you know I have that same feeling when someone is at L-1. If they are at L-1 and we arn't supposed to lynch yet I get scared that someone might not realize that hes at L-1 and hammer by accident. Although its probably not needed as I doubt many players would make a mistake like that its definitaly a feeling i still have.

Onto my "i'm scared" post. That post litterally didn't mean anything. I wasn't actually afraid I was just responding to andrews post about why the wagon was on me. At that point I was at work so I didn't have time to make a long post but I was on break and just wanted to say something. So I just kinda made a post, I didn't intend to actually have meaning behind it and wasn't actually scared. I felt like people would understand my sarcasm but I guess it really doesn't go over well in text, especially when its a new player who you don't know how he normally communicates.

The unvoting silver post. That one I just wanted to let people know what I was doing. I found out that I vote swap at opportunist times in other games which is a super scummy trait. This is not my intention as I usually just don't have confidence in my votes and try to follow the leader until I build my confidence. I'm trying to break that habit so I wanted to let people know why I was changing my vote.

Finally the newbie post thing. This one I admit is my mistake and would probably look more towny if I ignored it but I think being 100% honest is better here. I was aware that the post sounded newbie and did try to make it sound like that. I found from other games that having that newbie feel gives off a town feeling. So I thought as this is still some of my first games I would keep that newbie meta going until it didn't work anymore. I didn't realize that after like 2 games it would already sound scummy. Part of it was an actual question though. This is my first day 1 experience with no extra information to go off of and as I can see I'm not playing it very well.

Well theres my defense to super weak claims on me and people jumping on the wagon out of nowhere.

I still see scott's jump on kinda scummy and although arche seemed scummy but I doubt scum would draw that much attention on it. ashers just feels like a normal asher thing to do so that doesn't feel scummy to me. and silver and andrew look town right now.

PPE:4

Going back to this....this is crazy huge for such a nonissue so early in a game.  Scared scum for sure.  Robz will back me up.

From his perspective, is it really a nonissue?  Hydrad is still pretty new.. I don't even know if he's ever been close to being lynched.

PPE: 2

[Jimmmmm]

I would think if Hydrad is town, any scum on his wagon would have gotten a bit nervous.  Scum would probably want to find a nice way to get off the wagon

Why would scum be nervous about being on a wagon?

[Witherweaver]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

Ya the only way it really looks scummy is if I'm actually scum. Then people will see it as you being afraid to kill your partner. But since I'm town if I die it will probably make you seem more towny by a bit. It really depends on what I am to see if its a scummy or not vote.

I like this defense (bolded part) and I think I'm going to use it all the time now.

[Jimmmmm]

I initially saw the unvote scummy, but it could also be a new player not sure how things are supposed to go.  the only game he played was a blitz, I believe.

to my defense, if I was scum, I don't believe I would have unvoted him. Instead, since it's 5am, I would have pretended to go to sleep and hope for someone else to hammer him while i'm not there. That wouldn't have been suspicious, and voting for him in the first place also didn't make me look suspicious, so overall I'd gotten a chance to lynch a town without getting in any kind of trouble myself.

what actually happened was, I read Andrews post, thought that he was right, and unvoted without considering how it would make me look like.

Town read on silverspawn for this.

Slight scum points to ash for putting someone at L-1 without announcing.

Look!  A reasonable reaction!

What's unreasonable about a vote?

[AndrewisFTTW]

Yeahhh... what exactly was the point of that? We have more than a week to actually discuss things.

Please provide a list of these "things" which we can "discuss."

Well first of all, we haven't really heard from scott, Egor, or Robz at all, and barely anything from mail-mi, Arch, and chairs if I'm not mistaken. Is there a problem with wanting to hear from everybody in order to form reads? Is there a problem with discussing things?

No problem.  But you are unable to come up with these "things" you seem to think are so important.

Nowhere did I say there are specific "things" we need to discuss. Simply that we have plenty of time for discussion and we should take advantage of that.

[Witherweaver]

I would think if Hydrad is town, any scum on his wagon would have gotten a bit nervous.  Scum would probably want to find a nice way to get off the wagon

Why would scum be nervous about being on a wagon?

Well, I get that way when I'm scum.

[Hydrad]

Going back to this....this is crazy huge for such a nonissue so early in a game.  Scared scum for sure.  Robz will back me up.

Sorry this is actually my first time I've had to defend myself in a game. Also I don't really know how to defend on random things that aren't even close to scum tells.

Overall though I think this is town!ash the only thing keeping me slightly thinking hes scum is that he didn't announce L-1. but still I think more towny then scum

PPE:8