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[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok...WW's at L-1

Dah this is a pretty hard decision. I've found town!Jimmmmm scummy in the past--and I haven't played many games with him to know his meta. I originally found him more scummy than WW, but I do agree with Hydrad his defense holds up better.

The deadlines still three days away or so. I'm going to have to think about this some more.

[Witherweaver]

I think I know Jimm better than anyone here. This is not
caught scum Jimmm.

This has been pointed out a lot.  This defense isn't relevant.  Of course it's not caught scum Jimmm.. he was never "caught".  He came in today knowing this was a very likely scenario (or, planning with his team to make it happen), so he knows going into today that "Jimmmm or X is 100% scum" is a very likely possibility.  He had time to plan.  There's no "catching" in a mistake or anything going on.

[ashersky]

I think I know Jimm better than anyone here. This is not
caught scum Jimmm.

This has been pointed out a lot.  This defense isn't relevant.  Of course it's not caught scum Jimmm.. he was never "caught".  He came in today knowing this was a very likely scenario (or, planning with his team to make it happen), so he knows going into today that "Jimmmm or X is 100% scum" is a very likely possibility.  He had time to plan.  There's no "catching" in a mistake or anything going on.

I agree with this point.  I also feel I know scum!jimmmmm well after our mega scum win together.  This infuriatingly calm jimmmmm is how the final day of super Mario was.

But WW scum slipped.

Will be back from VLA in 24 hours.

[Witherweaver]

This keeps being brought up; I absolutely did not scum slip.

[ashersky]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

So who are the two scum voting for WW?

[ashersky]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

So who are the two scum voting for WW?

Well, one would be you.  I'd assume one is bussing/not voting yet.  That leaves one in Eevee/BA/Voltaire, which is of course possible.

[ashersky]

Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village
Robz- Dame Josephine
WW- Squire
2.7- Wandering Minstrel
ADK - Madman
Jimmmmm - Squire


Here's the final list, in order, I believe.

[ashersky]

I think IG, hydrad, Eevee, and Robz are the unconfirmable claims (that is, can't confirm they are in the game or not).

[Jimmmmm]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

So who are the two scum voting for WW?

Well, one would be you.  I'd assume one is bussing/not voting yet.  That leaves one in Eevee/BA/Voltaire, which is of course possible.

I was excluding myself, as WW and I cancel out. To have a significant swing towards WW, both of the other scum would have to be voting for him, ie both would be among {Eevee, Beyond Awesome, Voltaire, A Drowned Kernel, chairs}. Can you identify the likely candidates? Otherwise it's a fairly meaningless statement, easily made and manipulatable by scum.

[Jimmmmm]

I think IG, hydrad, Eevee, and Robz are the unconfirmable claims (that is, can't confirm they are in the game or not).

How do I confirm my claim?

[ashersky]

I think IG, hydrad, Eevee, and Robz are the unconfirmable claims (that is, can't confirm they are in the game or not).

How do I confirm my claim?

Lynch.

[ashersky]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

So who are the two scum voting for WW?

Well, one would be you.  I'd assume one is bussing/not voting yet.  That leaves one in Eevee/BA/Voltaire, which is of course possible.

I was excluding myself, as WW and I cancel out. To have a significant swing towards WW, both of the other scum would have to be voting for him, ie both would be among {Eevee, Beyond Awesome, Voltaire, A Drowned Kernel, chairs}. Can you identify the likely candidates? Otherwise it's a fairly meaningless statement, easily made and manipulatable by scum.

How can there be a significant swing towards WW at this point?  He's already at L-1.

Did you mean to have a significant swing towards you?  That's the only significant swing I can envision.  It would take probably two of Eevee/BA/Volt, to lynch you.  That's why I'm saying you are in a position of being the scum of the two -- you are entirely safe from lynch at this point as long as even just one of your partners is voting with you.

You can't say that about WW, which means his entire team abandoned him even though I think we all agree they would have known he would be running the counterclaim gambit.

[Jimmmmm]

I think IG, hydrad, Eevee, and Robz are the unconfirmable claims (that is, can't confirm they are in the game or not).

How do I confirm my claim?

Lynch.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm back from VLA.  We have WW at L-1?

I feel that the easier lynch is the town player, given scum can press the mislynch.

So who are the two scum voting for WW?

Well, one would be you.  I'd assume one is bussing/not voting yet.  That leaves one in Eevee/BA/Voltaire, which is of course possible.

I was excluding myself, as WW and I cancel out. To have a significant swing towards WW, both of the other scum would have to be voting for him, ie both would be among {Eevee, Beyond Awesome, Voltaire, A Drowned Kernel, chairs}. Can you identify the likely candidates? Otherwise it's a fairly meaningless statement, easily made and manipulatable by scum.

How can there be a significant swing towards WW at this point?  He's already at L-1.

Did you mean to have a significant swing towards you?  That's the only significant swing I can envision.  It would take probably two of Eevee/BA/Volt, to lynch you.  That's why I'm saying you are in a position of being the scum of the two -- you are entirely safe from lynch at this point as long as even just one of your partners is voting with you.

You can't say that about WW, which means his entire team abandoned him even though I think we all agree they would have known he would be running the counterclaim gambit.

I meant compared with uninformed reads.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village
Robz- Dame Josephine
WW- Squire
2.7- Wandering Minstrel
ADK - Madman
Jimmmmm - Squire


Here's the final list, in order, I believe.

Now I'm not sure what to think.

[Jimmmmm]

Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village
Robz- Dame Josephine
WW- Squire
2.7- Wandering Minstrel
ADK - Madman
Jimmmmm - Squire


Here's the final list, in order, I believe.

Now I'm not sure what to think.

In what regard?

[Jimmmmm]

Oh right. You're saying ash scumslipped?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well he might have just copied the list over.

[Jimmmmm]

That makes the most sense.

[ashersky]

Well he might have just copied the list over.

Correct, I went back like 5 pages and copied.

[ashersky]

Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village
Jimmmmm (not necro)
Robz- Dame Josephine
WW- Squire
2.7- Wandering Minstrel
ADK - Madman

That leave's Jimmmmm, who either was lying about not being Necropolis, or is counterclaiming someone.

Here's the one I copied.

[ashersky]

And here's the one that copied, with the WW "slip."

Hey, just got back from a 24 hour shift at work, so I am pretty tired.  However, I see that Ash has a plan.  I share some of Jimmmm's misgivings about immediately massclaiming, but it seems like we have kind of made up our collective mind before anyone had a chance to really say anything.  I mean, I think that we could have had at least had a little discussion about it.

Anyway, this is what we have so far:

Claimed:
Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village

Not Claimed:
Jimmmmm (not necro)
ADK (not necro)
Robz
WW
2.7

So modifying this one, which I believe is in the order claimed:

Ash- mining village
BA- village
chairs- city
IG- walled village
hydrad- BV-->fishing village
Voltaire- fortress
Eevee- fishing village
Jimmmmm (not necro)
ADK (not necro)
Robz- Dame Josephine
WW- Squire
2.7- Wandering Minstrel

So no one claimed Necropolis, and the two unclaimed claimed to not have Necropolis.  So, obviously, Necropolis is not in the game.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Makes sense.

[Jimmmmm]

ash's last 2 posts strike me as pretty defensive.