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[Axxle]

Why is there a question about ADK's claim? It's obviously true.

[ashersky]

In asher9++, all set ups include a Town Universal Backup and Mafia Godfather before random rolls are used to determine power role distribution.

If a single M is rolled, the UB becomes a Mason.  That player is not told of this conversion.

After the setup is determined, if the single M was not rolled, the Universal Backup is informed of their role pre-game, just like any other role.

[Axxle]

We either have a Universal Backup or a single Mason. A single Mason obviously know if he's the only Mason so knows ADK's claim is false if he exists.

[Robz888]

Basically, if a single M was rolled, the UB became a Mason without ever knowing he was the UB.

In this situation, ADK could claim UB, and would not be counterclaimed, because the real UB doesn't know he was actually a UB.

This is an unlikely situation, because scum!ADK wouldn't know that the real UB never learned he was the real UB. SO it was like a ridiculously risky move. Although scum are in such terrible shape it may have been necessary. Make sense?

[Robz888]

We either have a Universal Backup or a single Mason. A single Mason obviously know if he's the only Mason so knows ADK's claim is false if he exists.

You are reading this wrong. If the setup generated a single Mason, the UB is turned into a Mason to go along with the other guy, and is not told he was first a UB.

[Axxle]

Basically, if a single M was rolled, the UB became a Mason without ever knowing he was the UB.

In this situation, ADK could claim UB, and would not be counterclaimed, because the real UB doesn't know he was actually a UB.

This is an unlikely situation, because scum!ADK wouldn't know that the real UB never learned he was the real UB. SO it was like a ridiculously risky move. Although scum are in such terrible shape it may have been necessary. Make sense?

A SINGLE MASON OBVIOUSLY KNOWS HE IS A SINGLE MASON. HE IS A MASON WITHOUT BUDDIES!

[Axxle]

@mod: The Universal Roleblocker could be a Mason and not know it. Accurate?

[Robz888]

Basically, if a single M was rolled, the UB became a Mason without ever knowing he was the UB.

In this situation, ADK could claim UB, and would not be counterclaimed, because the real UB doesn't know he was actually a UB.

This is an unlikely situation, because scum!ADK wouldn't know that the real UB never learned he was the real UB. SO it was like a ridiculously risky move. Although scum are in such terrible shape it may have been necessary. Make sense?

A SINGLE MASON OBVIOUSLY KNOWS HE IS A SINGLE MASON. HE IS A MASON WITHOUT BUDDIES!

A SINGLE MASON GETS THE UB AS HIS BUDDY WIHTOUT EITHER EVER KNOWING HE STARTED LIFE AS A UB.

[Axxle]

I'm an idiot. carry on.

[Robz888]

So, we need to know if there are Masons. If there are no Masons, ADK is an IC, because his UB claim is true--no UB was converted to a Mason if there are no Masons.

Everyone who hasn't claimed must claim Mason/Not Mason.

I am not a Mason.

We need shraeye, Axxle, and mail-mi to claim Mason/Not Mason as well.

[Axxle]

I am not a Mason.

[mail-mi]

i am not a mason.

[Robz888]

Okay, well shraeye can't even be a Mason then, there's noone for him to be Masons with. ADK is an IC.

I really think it's either PPS or mcmc, and more likely mcmc.

We should lynch mcmcsalot. ADK probably won't actually get off a successful investigation, but oh well. Vigs, shoot PPS, or no one.

[Robz888]

WAIT I forgot Scotty. They could be Masons, let's hold on.

[pingpongsam]

Could not the mason already be dead?

Also would not the UB inherit prior results?

[mail-mi]

Could not the mason already be dead?

No, otherwise we would have had a flip that said someone was a mason.

Also would not the UB inherit prior results?

Probably not.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I didn't get any message saying so and I assume that I wasn't supposed to.

[shraeye]

not a mason.  Also, with 8 players, we can only afford 2 mislynches barring night actions.  So let's not get really cavalier/risky with our lynches while saying "we've got millions of mislynches!!!"

I'm not sold on the mcmcs lynch, but not staunchly against.  I'll have to do some reading on him.

[pingpongsam]

Scott voted ADK so likely not his mason.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not a mason, and there apparently aren't any. I'm the universal backup, which means I convert to whichever town PR dies first. There's a chance that this conversion happens before the game, in which case I would have become a mason, but it didn't, so now I'm a cop because I inherited Eevee's role.

[Robz888]

I'm not a mason, and there apparently aren't any. I'm the universal backup, which means I convert to whichever town PR dies first. There's a chance that this conversion happens before the game, in which case I would have become a mason, but it didn't, so now I'm a cop because I inherited Eevee's role.

I got that, but there's a chance you were lying if there is a pair of Masons among the town. But there isn't, so you're not.

[Robz888]

Scott voted ADK so likely not his mason.

That wouldn't have mattered, ADK is not a Mason because, he claimed UB. If he's lying, he's scum.

[Robz888]

Everyone seems very confused about stuff, but I'm not, so I guess that's fine... I just don't want to wake up dead and read about you guys getting it wrong. Is everyone on the same page now?

[scott_pilgrim]

I don't understand what's going on, but I'm not a mason.  Does that make ADK and IC?

[scott_pilgrim]

I don't understand what's going on, but I'm not a mason.  Does that make ADK and IC?

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