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[Robz888]

I should note a couple things. I haven't been paying attention to the setup, but... keep in mind that there is a Universal Backup. My understanding is that this person inherits the PR of the first townie PR to die. Which means we have a townie who took over Eevee's Cop status.

Also, we know the mafia team has a Godfather (yuma) and a Strongman (raerae). This means that last scum is a Roleblocker. Possibly a 1-shot BP one. Ash: Can the mafia roleblocker shoot AND kill? No, right?

This means that we are dealing with the TT, T, or zero T setup. Which also means we should have a lot of town PRs. These are all good things, and point to us winning regardless of how we lynch at this point.

If we do have Town Vigilantes, I will recommend at this point that they start shooting. I would like Vigs to shoot mcmcsalot, and Cops to investigate ADK.

Other townies, please review to see if I have made any erroneous assumptions. After that, I am set to lynch PPS.

[shraeye]

Well, looks like it is up to shraye, really. If I am wrong about ADK I am the obvious lynch so I really do not understand why I should have to go first. Also, ADK is at L -1 but no one is demanding he claim. I am plain old VT and I am BMO as already said. So who does ADK claim to be and why is it necessary to kill me first when I am the obvious next lynch if ADK flips town? It's not like I have left myself an out, which scumpps absolutely would do as anyone who has played with me knows. That said the ones voting ADK are those people except Robz who has only seen me play scum as his partner.

I think it's really bad to make it PPS vs. ADK.  Very possible that scum is not in that pair at all.  I've had a thought about scum vis-a-vis wagons, but it's forming slow, and being in Cayman is holding me up. 

[Teproc]

Vote Count 3.3:

A Drowned Kernel (3): pingpongsam, scott_pilgrim, mail-mi
pingpongsam (3): Axxle, mcmcsalot, A Drowned Kernel
Axxle (1): shraeye

Not Voting (1): Robz888

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 ends at 5:20 p.m. on Wednesday, March 19.

[Robz888]

And Doctors should protect me, obvs.

[shraeye]

I should note a couple things. I haven't been paying attention to the setup, but... keep in mind that there is a Universal Backup. My understanding is that this person inherits the PR of the first townie PR to die. Which means we have a townie who took over Eevee's Cop status.

Also, we know the mafia team has a Godfather (yuma) and a Strongman (raerae). This means that last scum is a Roleblocker. Possibly a 1-shot BP one. Ash: Can the mafia roleblocker shoot AND kill? No, right?

This means that we are dealing with the TT, T, or zero T setup. Which also means we should have a lot of town PRs. These are all good things, and point to us winning regardless of how we lynch at this point.

If we do have Town Vigilantes, I will recommend at this point that they start shooting. I would like Vigs to shoot mcmcsalot, and Cops to investigate ADK.

Other townies, please review to see if I have made any erroneous assumptions. After that, I am set to lynch PPS.

I think not giving any attention to mail-mi or Axxle is a disastrous mistake.

[Robz888]

Ugh. Okay. Well I think Axxle is like absolutely town, and mail-mi very very townie. But even if you're right, what of it? We have so many free lynches at this point and a bunch of town PRs.

[shraeye]

Ugh. Okay. Well I think Axxle is like absolutely town, and mail-mi very very townie. But even if you're right, what of it? We have so many free lynches at this point and a bunch of town PRs.

But like, you're advocating using the "free lynches" and PRs on people like mcmcsalot, who I'm not worried at all about.  And I still don't like PPS lynch, he's another guy I'm confident in my townread on. 

Axxle, for example, was the raerae hammer in a super-formulaic way.  I feel like scum, much more often than town, does the "countdown hammer" and sticks to their promise.  Town hammerers are more spastic, "oh what the heck"-like.

Also, mail-mi/Axxle/Eevee were three people that looked the scummiest on the yuma lynch.  I pegged yuma hard on Day 2 for his interactions with raerae, and I feel like the 3rd partner would have been sure to be aboard that lynch.  I'm really not concerned about  people like mcmc/scott who were not on the yuma lynch.  If there are two back to back scum lynches, the final scum doesn't want to be caught defending his falling partners, you bet they'll be stepping right in line with the "town" way of thinking, and playing the leaf-in-the-wind game much harder than the direct-people-towards-the-wrong place game.

[shraeye]

Obviously Eevee is cop, so it's nice that mafia narrowed that choice down, but that's a big reason why I think mail-mi and Axxle need much more attention than they're getting.

[shraeye]

Also, my bad on the setup-based vote, I didn't see the full set of mafia options.  But now that my votes on Axxle, I actually feel good about that.

[Robz888]

Also, mail-mi/Axxle/Eevee were three people that looked the scummiest on the yuma lynch.  I pegged yuma hard on Day 2 for his interactions with raerae, and I feel like the 3rd partner would have been sure to be aboard that lynch.  I'm really not concerned about  people like mcmc/scott who were not on the yuma lynch.  If there are two back to back scum lynches, the final scum doesn't want to be caught defending his falling partners, you bet they'll be stepping right in line with the "town" way of thinking, and playing the leaf-in-the-wind game much harder than the direct-people-towards-the-wrong place game.

That's just a losing strategy though. If the final scum doesn't try to stop his other 2 partners from getting lynched, he's losing anyway.

[mail-mi]

Obviously Eevee is cop, so it's nice that mafia narrowed that choice down, but that's a big reason why I think mail-mi and Axxle need much more attention than they're getting.

Well, I'm not scum (duh) and Axxle is also very towny.

I don't think it's PPS. Why? Because, on D1, if he was raerae's partner, he does NOT redirect the scum lynch to another scum lynch. It's got to be ADK.

[pingpongsam]

I did not pick up on Eevee's soft-result on Robz until Axxle pointed it out.

Now, it is possible it was just a turn of phrase and not a soft-result at all. At any rate, the fact that Axxle pointed it out indicates Axxle is working for Town because scum would not try to IC anybody they didn't have to.

While I read Robz as Towny before and I agree it appears to be asoft-result a huge fear right now is that Robz is the final scum and he will coast to victory on a lucky turn of phrase, especially if a Doctor is protecting a scumRobz leaving all our own men defenseless at night.

Just a nagging thought that I have had. That Robz tunnels me so hard keeps fertilizing that thought.

[shraeye]

I think you should drop that line of thought on Robz; robz is town town.

I disagree that Axxle pointing it out makes him town.

[ashersky]

Ash: Can the mafia roleblocker shoot AND kill? No, right?

Shooting and killing are the same thing.

If you mean to ask if a mafia power role can opt to use its power and also perform the factional kill on the same night, the answer is yes.

[Robz888]

Ash: Can the mafia roleblocker shoot AND kill? No, right?

Shooting and killing are the same thing.

If you mean to ask if a mafia power role can opt to use its power and also perform the factional kill on the same night, the answer is yes.

That IS what I meant to ask. Booooooo.

[pingpongsam]

I think you should drop that line of thought on Robz; robz is town town.

I disagree that Axxle pointing it out makes him town.

Yeah, when I reread that bit I agree. Robz is town, if not he deserves the win. done with that.

I didn't say it made Axxle town just that it was an indicator.

In the discussions surrounding who to lynch today that indicator tends to remove him from my would lynch list for the day. I agree more attention needs to be going around so I'm not trying to quell any debate but actually to start it. Generically stating the obvious that it doesn't make him town seems antithetical to spreading the attention out.

[Robz888]

PPS is flailing, but it almost strikes me as townie flailing, kind of. I have to re-read him, and ADK, and mcmc. Then I will let everyone know who which person I want us to lynch. Do not lynch before that.

[Robz888]

All things being equal, though, PPS's VT claim makes him a better lynch.

[Axxle]

Unvote

I should reread, there might be a better lynch for today.

[pingpongsam]

All things being equal, though, PPS's VT claim makes him a better lynch.

Right, because ADK never claimed, nobody demanded he claim and now he can claim PR to make sure we mislynch. Pure genius.

[A Drowned Kernel]

PPS, at no point was I ever at L-1.

[Robz888]

I don't have any intention of asking ADK to claim at this point, so that's fine.

[pingpongsam]

PPS, at no point was I ever at L-1.

Point taken, for some reason I thought we needed 4 to lynch and we were both L-1 at the same time.

[shraeye]

All things being equal, though, PPS's VT claim makes him a better lynch.

Right, because ADK never claimed, nobody demanded he claim and now he can claim PR to make sure we mislynch. Pure genius.

I don't think we're in a "lynch PPS cuz he's VT" situation; so let's focus on making the right lynch.  I'm not voting for you today.

[mcmcsalot]

Ugh why are we not lunging pps, he's so scummy. But whatever Adk is kinda scummy too? Actually I have no clue. Lynch me right? We can afford like a billion mislynches oh wait isn't that what pps said yesterday right he stuck to that.