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[AndrewisFTTW]

I think we should lynch one of the new guys just to help him grow the thick skin he's gonna need moving forward.

Vote: Andrew

Thick skin? Yeah I need an online forum game for that, thanks.

Yes I'm new and I could be wrong but I don't see how a post like Robz's post could be considered either townie or scummy. Both town and scum are capable of posting something like that. I guess you guys know the kind of stuff he does during games but he knows that too and can adjust accordingly. PPS's logic is just as good as anyone else's right now, at least in my mind.

That said, everyone knows Axxle better than me so maybe you can clue me in but I feel like he's trying too hard to seem town.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think PPS's post was a joke, although watching how people react to jokes is a big part of the early game. Getting super-defensive right away isn't exactly super townie.

What exactly did Axxle post that seems like he's "trying too hard"? Not trying to be aggressive, just asking for something specific.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I think PPS's post was a joke, although watching how people react to jokes is a big part of the early game. Getting super-defensive right away isn't exactly super townie.

What exactly did Axxle post that seems like he's "trying too hard"? Not trying to be aggressive, just asking for something specific.

Yeah it's a joke, but it's not the first time I've heard "thick skin" be mentioned in the same breath as mafia and I think it's silly.

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

[yuma]

I feel like jokes are pretty null in general. Town does it to get the game going, scum does it to seem townie. You learn more from people's reactions than from any of the joking.

My point wasn't that he made a joke, but rather what his joke was about and the historical context of it. Making a joke doesn't really signify anything, but the context of the joke I think can.

[raerae]

Okay, so looking at the players in the game, I have a few questions for the people I don't know.

1.  Eevee - no questions here, he's fuzzy and adorable
2.  scott_pilgrim - I don't know you, can you please give a brief recap of your previous mafia experience whether it be in person or online
3.  Robz888 - no questions
4.  mail-mi - no questions
5.  yuma - no questions
6.  mcmcsalot - no questions
7.  A Drowned Kernel - I think you were showing up as I was leaving but I don't remember much, can I get a recap from you too, please?
8.  pingpongsam - I don't believe our paths ever crossed but I think you were around here before I was.  No questions just yet.
9.  raerae - nada
10. AndrewisFTTW - You are completely new to me, recap please?
11. shraeye - no questions
12. Axxle - no questions

[scott_pilgrim]

2.  scott_pilgrim - I don't know you, can you please give a brief recap of your previous mafia experience whether it be in person or online

This is my third game here (I'm also in Diffusion of Powers and Super Mario Mafia, both of which are still going).  I've also played IRL a few times.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Recap? Hi, I'm Andrew! This is my first mafia game ever and It probably shows. Anything else you would like to know just ask!

[A Drowned Kernel]

I've been on the forums for ages as a semi-lurker, I just started mafia a few weeks ago though. As I mentioned in a previous post, I've played mafia IRL but usually at parties where people are drunk so never in a very serious context. I'm in one other game right now, Super Mario, and that one is my first forum game. Anything else you'd like to know?

[raerae]

Soon, my new friends, soon I will ask more questions...

In the meantime, vets! Who's meta's changed in the last six months?  Is Yuma still unreadable?  Is robz still full of hate and fun and vinegar?  Is Eevee still everybody's buddy?

Scott (do you have different name f.ds people call you?  calling you by a real name feels weird), why are you defending Eevee in this post?  Do you make a habit of defending other players so early or just your partners?

In Eevee's defense, I didn't read him as being nervous, and I also don't think being nervous is really scummy.  I do find it odd though that he would first question whether nervousness is scummy, then say he wasn't nervous.  Actually if he hadn't later said that he wasn't actually nervous, I would think that was scummy, because that demonstrates an unawareness of how he is perceived, but since he did later say that he was never nervous...I'm just confused.  I think Eevee was confused?  I don't really think it's indicative of anything.

[Axxle]

I think PPS's post was a joke, although watching how people react to jokes is a big part of the early game. Getting super-defensive right away isn't exactly super townie.

What exactly did Axxle post that seems like he's "trying too hard"? Not trying to be aggressive, just asking for something specific.

Yeah it's a joke, but it's not the first time I've heard "thick skin" be mentioned in the same breath as mafia and I think it's silly.

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response.

This is just how I post.

Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

I've heard that scum that get suspected early sometimes get a free pass to the endgame. It's hearsay though and I don't know if scum has ever purposefully done it.

shraeye: vote for someone.

[shraeye]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

[scott_pilgrim]

Scott (do you have different name f.ds people call you?  calling you by a real name feels weird), why are you defending Eevee in this post?  Do you make a habit of defending other players so early or just your partners?

In Eevee's defense, I didn't read him as being nervous, and I also don't think being nervous is really scummy.  I do find it odd though that he would first question whether nervousness is scummy, then say he wasn't nervous.  Actually if he hadn't later said that he wasn't actually nervous, I would think that was scummy, because that demonstrates an unawareness of how he is perceived, but since he did later say that he was never nervous...I'm just confused.  I think Eevee was confused?  I don't really think it's indicative of anything.

Well, if they are being accused of being scummy when I don't think they've done anything scummy, I'll point that out.  I'm not saying I'm committed to defending Eevee in general, I'm just saying I find what he did there to be null (in contrast to the people who perceived it as scummy).

Scott is not my IRL name, if that makes you feel better?  (Scott Pilgrim vs. the World is an awesome movie that I chose my username after.)  Or you can call me SP, that's not a "normal" name.

[pingpongsam]

Aw naw, you're scotty forever to me now.

[pingpongsam]

I've heard that scum that get suspected early sometimes get a free pass to the endgame. It's hearsay though and I don't know if scum has ever purposefully done it.

I believe it is a general truth and see D1 of the newly completed "Diffusion of Power" where it was purposely done to great effect.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

I just thought it would be helpful to learn common strategies and things to look for but I guess there are other places I can learn stuff like that.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We'll give you strategies but you have to pinkie promise that you're not mafia.

[AndrewisFTTW]

We'll give you strategies but you have to pinkie promise that you're not mafia.

Really? The game is that easy? 

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.5:

shraeye (2): raerae, Axxle
Axxle (1): AndrewisFTTW
raerae (1): Eevee
yuma (1): mail-mi
AndrewisFTTW (1): pingpongsam

Not Voting (6): scott_pilgrim, Robz888, yuma, mcmcsalot, shraeye, A Drowned Kernel

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 4:30 p.m. on February 26, 2014.

[Axxle]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

[Axxle]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

btw, this is rhetorical. Shraeye is just trying to make the new player look scummy for asking for scumhunting advice. Both trying to get people to target him and discouraging asking these kinds of questions.
Confirm vote: shraeye

[mail-mi]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

btw, this is rhetorical. Shraeye is just trying to make the new player look scummy for asking for scumhunting advice. Both trying to get people to target him and discouraging asking these kinds of questions.
Confirm vote: shraeye

Hm. That's a good point. vote: shraeye

[yuma]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

It is an interesting question though... because it is what I would consider a higher thinking sort of question. Not that a new player couldn't have such a higher question (they obviously can and do!) but it is something that has only recently for f.ds mafia become even a point of discussion... so it does make me wonder if it is possible that andrew is partners with someone who mentioned something along the lines in a QT to introduce him to the concept and is now asking for more.

Andrew what made you want to ask the question?

[AndrewisFTTW]

Again, I have no experience with what is "scummy" or "townie" but Axxle's erratic posting and constant joking about being scum is obviously to get some sort of response. Would it be scummy to cast early suspicion on yourself so as not to be considered scummy later?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

That question.  By asking it, what information are you trying to learn?  Is it rhetorical?

It is an interesting question though... because it is what I would consider a higher thinking sort of question. Not that a new player couldn't have such a higher question (they obviously can and do!) but it is something that has only recently for f.ds mafia become even a point of discussion... so it does make me wonder if it is possible that andrew is partners with someone who mentioned something along the lines in a QT to introduce him to the concept and is now asking for more.

Andrew what made you want to ask the question?

I don't think it's higher thinking, it's just something that I thought was a real possibility in this game. I saw Axxle joking about being scum (if my memory is correct) and I thought maybe he's trying to make people overlook him. Not that I think he is scum necessarily, but I just wanted to see if anyone else thought that was a possibility.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Deliberately casting suspicion on yourself seems like the sort of thing that could really easily backfire, though. Both because you might not be able to shake it off and get lynched right away, and later in the game people are probably going to remember the suspicions they had first most clearly. It seems less likely that people are going to be like "Oh, I suspected so-and-so earlier but then we decided that they were actually townie, so let's not consider them again" than "Oh, remember when so-and-so was scummy back at the beginning of the game? Let's lynch them!"

As a deliberate gambit on scum's part it seems pretty risky, and I think most scum would be more likely to want to play it safe. I guess it depends on the scum, though.

[Eevee]

I really like the way Andrew is thinking, but "trying to see if anyone else thought this could be scummy" is definitely a scumtell.