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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 02:07:21 pm »

A few notes to Math (I'm not going to even try to quote that monster post):

First of all, I can kind of see where you're coming from sometimes but you're barking up the wrong tree.

1) my "saltiness" vote on EFHW was essentially RVS. I hadn't seen anything worth a vote yet, so I voted a random player who didn't have content one way or the other yet. The only reason I stayed on EFHW was because of the way she responded to my and Didds' RVS votes, which I thought was scummy. Since then, she seemed townier for quite some time and I doubted my initial scumread. Lately, pushing you I think she's being scummy again.

2) "don't like the tryhard" Not wanting to vote someone SUPER EARLY because they are pushing the game forward is scummy? What? Why?

3) You are being really goofy for townreading me D1 for townreading me, then scumreading me for scumreading you, then finally scumreading you for townreading you. Like, do you realize that you are reading my play almost 100% through the lens of how I'm interacting with you? You are not the only one playing!

4) It's not fair to scumread me for not posting a case when I was too busy to post a case.

5) Yes there was a period of time where I thought you were scum and MiX was a likely partner. I no longer think that's the case. I wanted to point it out at that point in case I was on to something, which... now I see that I was wrong. How does being wrong make me scum?

6) When I said I didn't like the look of people voting Jim, I don't remember exactly who was voting him at the time, but I believe the main person who scared me off Jim was you. And maybe MiX? I think I've already explained that. AT THE TIME I thought you and MiX may both be scum.

7) Why bother to wallpost my faust vote when you've already attacked my faust vote in isolation and I've already responded? Are you just trying to make your post as big as possible? Because that's really weird.

Okay, that's about everything I see in your post that I want to respond to.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:55:35 pm »

And gkrieg is a high caliber player, who has also done nothing but push Math and lurk. So I would say that yes the things he has done are scummy things.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:54:35 pm »

I think EFHW is scummy. Her pushing Math is a lot like her pushing pubby. She's picking on someone whose ideas she can see as wrong, and arguing that makes them scum. I don't know if she does that as town but I know she does that as scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:53:05 pm »

Vote: gkrieg

I spent my mafia time today looking at comments that faust made on a setup I am trying to open, then came to check the thread. That was a mistake because there is a lot in here that I should respond to and now don't really have time to. I was hoping to do a read through of Swowl, gkrieg, faust, Joth, EFHW, and Math.

That is obviously not going to happen and starting tomorrow I'll be gone for two days. However, I'll be back before deadline and hopefully can do some of that work then.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:41:49 pm »

Big math post, too big to comment in mobile, have a gut feeling that he wants to 1v1 iguana, could be townie but I don't think so.

Vote: math

You got away from the math tunnel but boy did it not last long.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:56:12 am »

Iguana:

"1. When the Traitor PM went out, that player was informed who the Mafia was."

Your argument doesn't hold water.

Blah, so why did he say that at the end?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:53:48 am »

Looking at Faust again.

The anticipation is killing me

Don't wait up. I'm not finishing until I get some sleep

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 23, 2021, 01:30:15 am »

iguana: Can you confirm of deny that you saw EFHW's vote before D1 ended?

Looking at Faust again. I realize I missed this question from him when he asked it.

Yes. I did see EFHW's vote, but it wasn't immediately clear that switching to Joth was the way to go and at that point I still preferred Math. My intention was to switch if necessary 5m to deadline and I failed to be there at that time.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 23, 2021, 12:58:38 am »

Just wait until I take my crack and do you like I did Galzria 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 22, 2021, 08:51:35 pm »

Actually, I think Joth is town. And that's because... his scum record is truly abysmal. And I read his scum game... the one he told me was the best example of him as scum... and he was just bad scum in that game.

And he does not seem bad in this game. Therefore he's town. Good enough for D1.

That's my general impression.

Read this game.

So, I was reading this game, and I was like, holy crap, Joth is playing so good here. I knew he was scum, did not know his partners (except McMc, who flipped D1), did not know his role. Then... this:

I found the traitor role to be very freeing. My reads were fake, but my interactions were genuine, which made the game like 50% easier, if that makes sense.

See, I think I get Joth. He has a really hard time with scum because he thrives on uncertainty. Knowing his partners takes the uncertainty out of the game and replaces it with duplicity, and I think he has a really hard time with that.

As a result, in the one example of a mafia game where he really played his heart out and fooled people, he was a traitor. The uncertainty was very much alive because he didn't know his partners.

So I guess if I am reading Joth correctly here, then that's because we are cut from the same cloth in that way. Both of us really struggle with being mafia. So as someone else who tends to lurk as scum and overplay as town, I guess I am seeing similar things from Joth's record and his current game. So he's actually one of the people I'm more confident in. The fact that he was traitor in that game really seals it.

I think Joth is town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 22, 2021, 08:29:08 pm »

ISOing joth is annoying because of all the codenames messages in between. Clearly this is scummy!

You ISO by reading a player's posting history? I ISO by ctrl Fing something unique in their profile or signature.

Found this while ISOing you looking for that Joth game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 05:05:37 pm »

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

Interested in hearing more about your faust vote. Seems very....random? I mean, you vote faust then just completely ignore both before and after.  By my count, you have 4 posts interacting with faust prior to your vote and a single post after your "when you can't find scum its faust" post. Did you even look at faust or just felt like you could get some traction on faust because no one will take the time to reread everything he posted and you can build a wagon of people who start getting antsy when faust stays alive too long (thinking of the whole "If Robz is alive D4 he is scum" line of thinking, which I know faust has experienced as well)?

I don't know, your vote just doesn't sit well with me. 

vote: iguana

I did explain my vote more when I responded to math who also questioned my vote, so look for that post.

No I have not reread Faust or anyone since start of D2 yet. So right now I am working on memory of things that occured and what I reread during N1. I do intend to look back at Faust and others, but I really honestly believe that the best way to catch Faust is PoE and that is based on the historical fact that I have failed to read him correctly again and again across many years of playing with him.... All the way to my very first game in 2015.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 03:47:04 pm »

Lol : (

I think what you meant then and meant now is that you don't actually have any conclusions about Joth's scum meta from the game you linked, but what you wanted was for me to read it and form MY conclusions and tell you about them.

I can only assume you are doing this out of some machiavellian ploy to divine my alignment. Nevertheless, I will do what you want in due time when I get a chance to sit down and look.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 22, 2021, 03:43:33 pm »

I'm trying to eat breakfast and I was looking for the sparknotes version

But also, honest question, do you know what spark notes is?

No. I presumed you meant notes about the spark game.

Ok, so that's my bad. Sparknotes is a really common tool that American public school kids use in literature classes. Basically, it summarizes the main points and themes and stuff of a book so that the kids don't have to actually read the book and can still pass a test about it.

So, when I said I was looking for the sparknotes version, I meant I was looking for a quick summary of why Joth looked scummy in the game you referenced because I didn't have time to read it and form my own opinion.

None of this is really relevant anymore but that's where our misunderstanding came from.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 22, 2021, 02:46:10 pm »

I'm trying to eat breakfast and I was looking for the sparknotes version

But also, honest question, do you know what spark notes is?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 02:44:26 pm »

That's fine. I didn't have time to do it EoD1 which is why I asked for a summary then. I'll have time before EoD2 so I'm happy to do it myself.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 02:09:03 pm »

iguana, what is it that you are finding towny about Joth?

I keep getting stuck on, he's voting his reads and pushing the game forward, and I looked at two of his scum games and did not see him do that at all. Like, he played super weak as scum. It wasn't obvious scum. It was just... I'm going to try to fade into the background scum. Like maybe D1 Oz scum Dylan was doing.

Now maybe that argument applies more to D1 than to D2 so far... but given that he says he's busy and a big case is coming... I'd like to hear it.

Did you end up reading the scum game where he actually won?

Blah, no! Remember? I asked you to summarize that EoD1 and you said it was irrelevant!

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Forum Games / Re: Vacation/Limited Access announcements

« on: September 22, 2021, 01:33:53 pm »

VLA all day September 24 & 25. I likely will not post at all.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 01:22:33 pm »

iguana, what is it that you are finding towny about Joth?

I keep getting stuck on, he's voting his reads and pushing the game forward, and I looked at two of his scum games and did not see him do that at all. Like, he played super weak as scum. It wasn't obvious scum. It was just... I'm going to try to fade into the background scum. Like maybe D1 Oz scum Dylan was doing.

Now maybe that argument applies more to D1 than to D2 so far... but given that he says he's busy and a big case is coming... I'd like to hear it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 12:35:49 pm »

No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

When you can't find scum, look at lurkers. Faust is not one of them this game.

Well, I could also go for gkrieg. I believe I said that.

That would be preferable. Though it would be best if you went for joth.

All game long, joth has been demonstrating his towniness absent any argument for his scumminess. How could you possibly be voting him?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 12:17:30 pm »

No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

When you can't find scum, look at lurkers. Faust is not one of them this game.

Well, I could also go for gkrieg. I believe I said that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 12:08:41 pm »

@EFHW, I was seeing a lot of posts like that last game too, when Math was town.

One thing I've noticed about Math is that he sort of describes things in black and white. In a way, it makes sense for a game like mafia because either you're scum or you're town. But he doesn't often seem to leave room for the uncertainty of things like "you might be town" or "you might be right, but you might be wrong." But the way he said I'm either super helpful or lying scum, it's like he had this gut reaction and he didn't even consider the in between.

And I think I was seeing that from Math and having a hard time not scum reading it in Oz as well.

I'll be honest. I'm still having trouble not reading every third thing Math says as scum. But I think there are enough reasons to consider him town right now that he shouldn't be the exile today. IMO we need to look elsewhere.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 01:00:41 am »

No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 22, 2021, 12:10:34 am »

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote

It doesn't have to be both! Trust me, I can be town and also be super detrimental. That is most likely the case here.

At any rate, I wasn't sheeping you, and actually I had no idea you were even voting faust.

I really honestly believe that you can't write a good case against faust. He has played in near every game I've played in since 2015, and I don't think I've ever been able to read him accurately. Mostly I find him to be towny even when he is scum. Last game I trusted that read and lost.

This game, I am not feeling the case against Jim at all. EFHW seemed scummy at first but has largely come back from that. I also have reasons to believe that you (Math) are town. I'm least sure about Joth, but a large part of that is just PoE from my other townreads.

So those are the major wagons that we've had, and I don't feel great about any of them. So it begs the question, if all of those people are town (possible), who is scum? Probably someone who is playing quite well. Hence, the vote on faust, who I think always plays well as scum.

You can call that grasping at straws if you want. But I have certainly put thought into it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M135: Among Us Mafia (Day 2)

« on: September 21, 2021, 08:15:13 pm »

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.