I said that draw is economy, because it puts cards into your hand which generate coins. Holunder9 said that was false, because what if you're overdrawing your deck. I said that if you're overdrawing your deck, the problem isn't that you're drawing too many cards, it's that you trashed too many cards. You said that sometimes overdraw is good if it puts cards into your hand which generate coins. You seriously don't think anything is funny here?
Somehow you've come full circle and now try to use the original argument Awaclus was making against him. I suggest always checking the context of a discussion to avoid chiming in with a completely beside-the-point comment.This is false. If you overdraw your deck adding more draw power doesn't increase Coin (or Coffers) yield.
While you are of course totally right that drawing cards make it more likely that you draw payload cards it is simply a bad way to think about the game because there is often an elementary trade-off about adding draw or payload power to a deck. Pretending that the former implies the latter is not helpful at all for deck construction and I seriously doubt that you actually think according to your "Cards=Coins" claim during playing. If the game were so simple it would be solved.
If you "overdraw" your deck, the real problem is that you have overtrashed your deck.
Well, sometimes overdraw is good, for example with mid-turn gaining or discard for benefit.
This is false. If you overdraw your deck adding more draw power doesn't increase Coin (or Coffers) yield.
While you are of course totally right that drawing cards make it more likely that you draw payload cards it is simply a bad way to think about the game because there is often an elementary trade-off about adding draw or payload power to a deck. Pretending that the former implies the latter is not helpful at all for deck construction and I seriously doubt that you actually think according to your "Cards=Coins" claim during playing. If the game were so simple it would be solved.
If you "overdraw" your deck, the real problem is that you have overtrashed your deck.
Now I want to see a rhyming Dominion expansion!
If I thrown room my inventor I get a $4 cost card and a $5 cost card correct?
Peasant stands out as one of the cards that favour the better player the most in my sample of logs.
If you usually beat your opponent in 60% of the games, you'll win 63.5% of the Peasant boards.
(Page also favours the better player but not as much, Chapel on the other hand makes the weaker player win more than expected.)
It turned out Ben King had been working on a Dominion program as a fun project, and he programmed in Renaissance and we playtested it some there. Thanks Ben! He also wrote some bots to demonstrate how powerful some particular cards were.
Guildhall + Beggar
Even without +Buy or other help, these two together can make for a surprisingly fast Province rush. Guildhall gives you +1 Coffers every time you gain a treasure, which means Beggar essentially reads +$6. There's probably some optimization here that I haven't figured out yet, but the basic strategy is to open Beggar-Beggar, buy Guildhall with your first $5 (which should be very easy with a Beggar play), then buy Province every time you play Beggar, and buy extra Beggars on hands without Beggars. I can usually get 7-8 Provinces in about 12 to 13 turns, and I've had a few games where I emptied Provinces by turn 10 or 11.
On a related note: Guildhall + Masterpiece
Buy Guildhall with your first $5, then Masterpieces, overpaying as much as possible. Uncontested, Silver runs around turn 8, afterwards you can easily buy a Province per turn. In a mirror, Silver runs around turn 6-7, and the game ends by turn 10 or 11. Obviously Gardens and Feodum love this.
Doesn't emptying the Silver pile seem a little excessive if it's just a Province game?
Well, in a BM game you need a money density of $1.6/card to buy a Province every turn on average. Your deck starts out at 10 cards with $0.7/card, so if all you do is buy Silvers ($2/card), you'll need more than 20 Silvers to get your money density high enough. Considering the fact that Masterpieces themselves are just Coppers, it gets even worse. I wouldn't be surprised if getting around 30 Silvers is optimal, which is not quite an empty Silver pile but pretty close to it.
With all the coffers you get from that last Masterpiece?
Autoplay Workshop/Gardens on suitable boards.
Guildhall + Beggar
Even without +Buy or other help, these two together can make for a surprisingly fast Province rush. Guildhall gives you +1 Coffers every time you gain a treasure, which means Beggar essentially reads +$6. There's probably some optimization here that I haven't figured out yet, but the basic strategy is to open Beggar-Beggar, buy Guildhall with your first $5 (which should be very easy with a Beggar play), then buy Province every time you play Beggar, and buy extra Beggars on hands without Beggars. I can usually get 7-8 Provinces in about 12 to 13 turns, and I've had a few games where I emptied Provinces by turn 10 or 11.
On a related note: Guildhall + Masterpiece
Buy Guildhall with your first $5, then Masterpieces, overpaying as much as possible. Uncontested, Silver runs around turn 8, afterwards you can easily buy a Province per turn. In a mirror, Silver runs around turn 6-7, and the game ends by turn 10 or 11. Obviously Gardens and Feodum love this.
Doesn't emptying the Silver pile seem a little excessive if it's just a Province game?
Keep in mind that the value of Poor House goes down as you get more, because they're all treasures. Two can be good but the third is just a Silver, and the fourth is a Copper.
Yeah, but the difference is you could play your Poor Houses after all your other Treasures. With a $5/$2 opening and good shuffling luck, you could literally buy a Province on your third turn.
The difference between what you are saying and what? Buying a Province on your third turn is no big deal. You can do that for example with Death Cart (alone, no combo needed) and some shuffle luck if you want to.
Capitalism drastically simplifies infinite loops. This is a loop for arbitrary amounts of VP:
Hand: Storyteller, Rogue, Monument, Watchtower
Trash: Mandarin
Play Storyteller to play Monument, Rogue gaining Mandarin (topdeck Storyteller, Monument, Rogue), reveal Watchtower to trash, draw Storyteller, Monument, Rogue back from Storyteller.
Playing it right now, and it's awesome! Thanks a lot!
Who was the lucky person to hit 20M exactly?
