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Honestly, very well played by scum all around. But I think I have to nominate shraeye for MVP. (are we still doing that?)

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😢

I wish Mafia hadn’t killed me N1. My best ever spectator game! 😅 At a minimum, I could’ve called out Robz’ scum slip!

I wish they had killed me…I take back everything I said about wanting to live, I am not cut out for endgames, sorry for letting y’all down.

Hey man, don't feel bad. I have been exactly where you are a lot of times and I know just how you feel, but it's not your fault! You did great to get as far as you did. scum played a heck of a game, especially shraeye (read the scum QT and you'll see he pegged Galz as a PR from virtually nothing). That endgame thing though, it is so much pressure.

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what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(

Do you think you would have picked shraeye? You seemed to nail it with Didds and Robz.

I did have it pegged as shraeye in the end, yeah. Though it's always easier from the speccy, and I was suspecting Cuzz on and off throughout the game. So I can't promise I would have been any better than mcmc in the endgame. I might have convinced myself that claiming restless spirit after not playing to get exiled was scummy.

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faust — 09/19/2024 10:10 AM
Your Traitor partner is Robz888.
westcoastdidds — 09/19/2024 1:52 PM
Oh, good to know. I’d have exiled fo sho

this is objectively hilarious

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what games were mcmc and shraeye?

Also, still no baby so I could have absolutely stayed in :(

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Follow the Cop? Mafia - OPEN FOR SIGN UPS
« on: October 16, 2024, 07:07:16 am »
/tag

I assume the doc is compulsive so they won't just choose to never use their power in order to make the cop more likely to get a result. But if that's the case, shouldn't they also be disallowed from self-targeting? Or is that just implied?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 12, 2024, 09:38:45 pm »
The first vote on someone is safe though.

I get that but I just don’t get the confidence

I’m giddy and overconfident from being right yesterday.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 12, 2024, 05:35:15 pm »
I’m confident enough to vote: Robz

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 12, 2024, 03:55:53 pm »
I feel like it’s very likely Robz. Actually Robz-Cuzz is a pretty strong possibility based on how the end of day went, if I’m remembering things correctly. (inb4 Robz accuses me of flip-flopping on Cuzz again).

This is not a strong possibility, in fact it's virtually impossible. If it's me and Cuzz, we could have both declined to vote for didds and there would have been no exile, putting the scum team of didds-Robz-Cuzz in a likely winning position.

A winning position? Who exactly would we be exiling today in that scenario of not one of the three of you?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 4)
« on: October 12, 2024, 09:16:07 am »
I feel like it’s very likely Robz. Actually Robz-Cuzz is a pretty strong possibility based on how the end of day went, if I’m remembering things correctly. (inb4 Robz accuses me of flip-flopping on Cuzz again).

I should update you all that we’re now one week away from baby’s due date and I am getting slightly nervous about what happens to this game if baby comes early, which would likely result in a sudden and long V/LA that could really screw things up the closer we get to endgame. So I’m proactively reaching out to faust to request replacement, but in the meantime I’ll keep playing until he finds someone.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 07:36:36 pm »
yikes this is a late flip!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 02:16:30 pm »
ok, I did mean to be here at deadline I just like, actually got into the flow writing an article I've been trying to write for weeks. Robz knows the feel I'm sure.

anyway I guess we got an exile?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 12:59:11 pm »
This is depressing. How are we going to get an exile today?

Cuzz and shraeye, would you like to move your votes somewhere useful?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 11:58:03 am »
I'm tempted to say I'll move to mcmc to get an exile, but I'm not sure I will. I've been that guy twice now and all it's gotten me is suspicion and misexiles. Someone else can move to Didds to get an exile.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 11:50:29 am »
I am increasingly convinced the team is Robz, WCD, ?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 09, 2024, 11:30:49 am »
There hasn’t been enough discussion about the fact that scum and traitor may not know each other, although given the number of PRs we have they clearly took some upgrades and knowing the full team I think is one of the more likely ones. But this has a potential big effect on quickhammer potential.

Let’s also keep in mind that the argument that awaclus was galz’a neighbor and would probably not have nk’d him doesn’t work if he’s the traitor and has no control over the nk.

I don’t think this has much impact on my choice for the day here since awaclus is probably not happening at this juncture but it’s worth keeping in mind.

In particular the fact that mcmc took Awaclus’s claim as if it totally cleared him is a bit suspicious.

Anyway, I wish I had better reads this game but we gotta do our best here and hope we hit. I think there’s a decent enough option which I’ll help out with once I’ve mulled it over a bit more.

Do you think there is a world where being given an option to take exhile-proof or learn the names of the mafia a traitor decides to pick...become a neighbor...

Especially if that traitor is Awaclus. He's not a "play suboptimally for shits and giggles" kind of player.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 08, 2024, 11:29:59 pm »
I have thoughts but sharing them now isn't pro-town. I don't want to help scum write their playbook. Someone remind me tomorrow and I'll share.

reminder

I can’t remember but they’re probably moot by now with everything else that’s happened.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 08, 2024, 01:51:27 pm »
Alright, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and claim early, despite only having two votes on me, as we're 28-ish hours from deadline:

I'm a vanilla townie

So, you know, not the worst exile, unless this in fact is exlo, in which case I am the worst exile. I'm sorry I haven't played this game better.

What made you feel like you need to apologize for not playing better?

I've been less active than usual and I haven't really made any really good cases. And I'm not doing my usual job of being obvtown. I'm just not super happy with my play. Not trying to throw a pity party or anything.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 08, 2024, 09:47:08 am »
Alright, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and claim early, despite only having two votes on me, as we're 28-ish hours from deadline:

I'm a vanilla townie

So, you know, not the worst exile, unless this in fact is exlo, in which case I am the worst exile. I'm sorry I haven't played this game better.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 07, 2024, 10:37:43 pm »
Cuz has just been towny today. My effort to get a Cuzz wagon going wasn’t particularly emphatic anyway. I was just casting around for a case. I think Robz is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Robz, you and I disagree about EFHW. But no one has given a good reason why scum didn’t kill the claimed PR night 1. Maybe worried about rolestopper? I guess we’ll find out tonight.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 07, 2024, 10:07:10 am »
FoS is "finger of suspicion" -- saying someone is scum but not backing it up for whatever reason.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 07, 2024, 07:49:37 am »
I also think dids is scum. Was waiting to vote till I could go back and do a re-read but the outrage for the swowl exhile feels really fake scummy

I have a minute before is pass out from tired.

No fake outrage. I think Swowl is super helpful when he’s town and he’s one of the people I understand best. I’m frustrated that the LL claim happened so late that there was no other option. Honestly moving to me or anyone else who wasn’t obvtown would have been better for us as a whole. I don’t think that the last few people voting for him even thought he was a baddie. This is just on reread but EFHW summed it up “to get an exile” when she voted. So I’m frustrated, and think everyone should be, that we can’t seem to figure something out earlier when more people are actually around. Especially when I and gave others have said we are specifically busy at the deadline. So, it’s not outrage. It’s frustration. We’ve done this two days in a row…waited until the last minute and that left it up to a small number of people. I think scum has to be among them, and why cede them that power just because they can be there. I don’t have any solutions for it. Life is gonna life for all of us, but gah.

I apologize if you thought I was pressuring you to vote. I was hoping that we could get some consolidation before I had to go to class. But I don’t like it when people do that to me. I apologize.

In my return to playing after our long hiatus the agreement I made with myself was to try to take things less personally. So I can’t convince you or Cuzz that I’m town, it’s all feels and senses anyway. But if there is an argument there, it shouldn’t be fake outrage. It’s actual frustration.

Cuzz, why isn’t Joth on your list of potential baddies? What has he done that was “consequential”?  Or Mcmc? Who meets your standard?

Sleep now. More later.

What I find frustrating is all the handwringing about last-minute panic exiles (not just from you) that doesn't mention the obvious problem: our culture of forcing last-minute claims and always believing them. I think it's objectively anti-town at this point.

So there's actually four pieces that lead to these negative outcomes.

1) We don't consolidate until the last minute.
2) We almost always believe claims, leading the correct scum play to be fakeclaiming 100% of the time.
3) Both town and scum seem to think it's beneficial to claim as late as possible.
4) We don't have a sufficient number of townies available at deadline to make high-quality alternate wagons.

Fixing #1 would be the best fix and the most feasible, but we seem allergic to it. #4 will always be an issue because we have lives and timezones exist. But I really think people should be giving more thought to #2 and #3 and their affect together.

We could, as a community, be more skeptical of claims, especially claims of roles that can't easily be confirmed like Tracker. Or, we could set an expectation that town PRs claim 24 hours before deadline or not at all (this would be helped by the rest of the town trying to run up our wagons more than 24 hours before deadline).

We currently have about two days before deadline and nothing to work with except a fairly silly case on Shraeye from Robz, a misguided case on me from Didds, and some FoSes on Didds that aren't backed up by votes.

Am I the only one who still doesn't believe EFHW's claim? We have gotten no useful information from her role, and nothing about the suspiciousness of her claim has changed. Her continued survival is still scummy, although I suppose it's no more scummy today given that we gave scum a more useful PR to get rid of.

I agree with mcmc that we should put our cards on the table at this point. Here's my broad buckets:

town: mcmc, Cuzz
???: shraeye, Awaclus
scummy: EFHW, Robz, Didds

I am ready to vote: WestCoastDidds at the risk of seeming to OMGUS. I actually think her vote on me isn't completely terrible -- scum are sometimes inexplicably hard to exile and I'm sure I've made cases like that before. I can't fault it.

But something is definitely off about her play. I kind of agree that the frustration feels hollow and performative. And her scumhunting, such as it is, also feels hollow and performative. She's posted just enough to look like she's participating but hasn't actually driven forward much of anything.

Like, do an iso on her posts. There's a lot of setup talk and a lot of socialising. And then there's a lot of tactical posting to get us an exile -- deadline is this soon, how many people are on this wagon, etc. But what there isn't a lot of is actual case-building that seems legitimately concerned with finding scum. Even when she votes it's in a sort of noncommital "I could see X being scum" kind of way.

Which, like, I get, could probably apply to a lot of us. No one has had a ton of conviction this game. But all these things together... idk. Town Didds is buckling down and being helpful and pro-town at this point in the game. Scum Didds is just trying to look helpful.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 3)
« on: October 06, 2024, 04:14:00 pm »
Not caught up at all— had a wedding this weekend. I will be able to catch up tonight or tomorrow. Sorry. Should have V/LA’d before hand.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 02, 2024, 11:18:30 am »
I have thoughts but sharing them now isn't pro-town. I don't want to help scum write their playbook. Someone remind me tomorrow and I'll share.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M142: Spiel des Jahres Mafia (Day 2)
« on: October 02, 2024, 11:16:02 am »
I have 2 minutes. How can I save us?

Vote swowl

Not a good idea. But idk what to say to do at this point

I could last minute pivot to like… 2 spots but it’s never gonna happen in time

You could claim a PR and see if we believe you.

please don't

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